Dictator

I had one rescue who dropped of cardio at only age three.

Another who succumbed to cancer and neuro issues at age six.

RFR I am sorry may they Rest in Peace

I lost my well bred Male from a Reputable Breeder to an aggressive form of lymphoma at 3 years 10 1/2 months

RedFawnRising

I'm sorry for your loss as well.

I've lost them to osteosarcoma, other cancers, and DCM.

The one I've not personally faced, and hope I never do, is CVI. I have friends who've lost some of theirs to wobbler's and it's not a nice end, either.

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EmilyB

I lost my very first girl to CVI. Her name was EmilyB.

She came from a reputable breeder, I think, at the time.

Q734

Just throwing this out there...cause I'm in a week+long mood.

I'll take a dyslexic rant any day over yet another Eddie-man pinscher 2.0, 3.0 ad infinitum .

Stop it with Eddie already people. GAWD.

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Matt Vandart

Whats an Eddie -man pinscher?

CVI= Wobblers ?

I think that may be more despicable than DCM

Megs

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Leliel

The 'queen of rude' chain was giving me a bit of a chuckle, but it wasn't until I got to this one that I snorted my hot chocolate. VZ, my monitor does not appreciate you.

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VZ-Doberman

It's all Matt's fault.

DobbieLovie

hahahahaa VZ-Doberman, you're too much !!! I can't stop laughing...

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Q734

Well I meant Eddie, but your take on it works well. Thanks Megs.

------and to add- since my recent revelations have set me on fire(people who know me are aware of the source of my ire)

But for the LOVE OF DOG there are NEW/RECENT Eddie puppies out there!!! WHY????
There is NO DAMN GOOD REASON that dog should still be used to this day when he is in 1000s of dogs pedigrees many times over~!
That dobequest list w/him as sire is far from complete! Look how long it is!!!

This is department of the obvious stuff- I wonder what is going on in the thought process of people who continue to perpetuate it...but none of the reasons I can think of can be answered with "the well being of our breed".
It makes me sick.

And what really sucks is that Eddie's breeder has incredible power if they wanted to use it for the greater good. TBH I too often like what's at the end of that lead- female-wise- but I simply have such issue the continued use that dog that I never say a word to or ask to be introduced as I do not want to be "glamored"- or pixie-dusted into rationalizing why they do what they do.

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Matt Vandart

Just out of interest, how does someone like eddies owner have incredible power?

Asmit

Power not to breed him perhaps?

Matt Vandart

That is the intuitive answer but where does the power come from breeding him?
Is it financial?

Matt Vandart

No answer to that one?

Ok then. Does anyone have a link to a photograph or a photograph of their own dog that has the correct angles front and back please?

Thanks.

Megs

You should check out some stacked photos of Fifi (GCh. Protocol's Veni Vidi Vici). She's gorgeous! She is very well balanced, and I like that she's not over angled in the rear, (I think there's a lot of 'too much angle in the rear' in Dobermans nowadays). Check out last years Westminster KC videos, especially the working group video and BIS, and watch that girl move. She shows like a million bucks! Watch her free stack, especially at the end of her down and back during the working group judging; simply breathtaking! I'm in awe, every single time I watch it; and sometimes I even get a little teary-eyed, lol.

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monicaei

Fifi is the single most gorgeous Doberman I have ever seen. I'm still a lil butthurt that she lost to the mop.

RedMaro

I agree she is fabulous. Her wins and popularity are well deserved.


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RedMaro

This may help some.
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Matt Vandart

Unfortunately no, I have looked at that pic loads of times, unfortunately my x ray vision is broken atm, thanks anyway, and thinks for the replies guys!
I am afraid I can still not make out the bone structure on that dog, has she eaten too many pies in this picture?
Is there any chance someone could scribble some approximations of the hip bones and shoulder blade/upper arm bone on the picture please?

Here is the Fifi dog:




Here are some photos of vintage dobermans:









Oh my haven't things changed in the world of a breed specifically bred for personal protection the contrast is stark (?)










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Darkevs

hmmmm, a picture of a real doberman with CORRECT angulation, front and rear.........................not sure I have seen that yet.

there are quite a few with balanced/equal angulation of fronts to rears....................

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Matt Vandart

I read in, I think the breakdown of the standard article, where the dude/dudette went through each part of the standard explaining the meaning and they said they had seen one in their life.
Why is it such a rarity?

Julie W

Simple, this is a living, breathing creature we are talking about. It's not a model that you snap and glue all of the pre-fabbed pieces together. This is a genetic crap shoot of an infinite number of variables that are all dumped into one huge shaker, mixed up and shaken out. Sure, you can increase the odds of certain things by adding more of a certain ingredient to the shaker, but how it all ends up coming out is going to be different every time.

Perfection is impossible to achieve. You may get some subjectively perfect pieces here and there, but there are always chinks in the armor in between.

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Matt Vandart

Hmmmm, cool, thanks.

Matt Vandart

Am I correct this pupper has good angulation front and rear?



Yes or no will suffice, I am aware of not knocking other peoples dobermans on here. I personally think its a loverly dog.