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Old 02-07-2012, 01:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey, i love european doberman's and im considering getting one if the future i was wondering if anyone has had experience with either altobello or Del Nasi dobermanns? How much do there puppies cost? How much does it cost to import one? Or even better is there anyone in the USA that owns a doberman from one of this kennels? even studded puppies from one of this kennels would be amazing to me. Thanks!!
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What is it about those specific kennels that you love?
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Hey, i love european doberman's and im considering getting one if the future i was wondering if anyone has had experience with either altobello or Del Nasi dobermanns? How much do there puppies cost? How much does it cost to import one? Or even better is there anyone in the USA that owns a doberman from one of this kennels? even studded puppies from one of this kennels would be amazing to me. Thanks!!
I have no experience directly with these kennels but I just imported a dog from Serbia whose father is fedor del nasi who obviously came from the del nasi kennel.
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:45 PM   #4 (permalink)
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we have imported 2 from Serbia and 1 just recently from Hungary. What Kennel in Serbia?? Most recently it cost between 5-600 american dollars to fly out of Frankfurt.
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If you think you can buy a better dog from a total stranger 6,000 miles away over the internet than you can from a serious breeder in the states that you can meet, talk to, and give you support after the sale, then I think you are seriously mis-guided. Of course, I seem to have met many people that feel that the farther they have to go to get a dog, the better it is....
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we have imported 2 from Serbia and 1 just recently from Hungary. What Kennel in Serbia?? Most recently it cost between 5-600 american dollars to fly out of Frankfurt.
Betelges Kennel. I paid 1.100 USD for the transportation from Serbia to Sweden. But the owner of the kennel came personally with the dog on the plane. So that was more expensive.

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If you think you can buy a better dog from a total stranger 6,000 miles away over the internet than you can from a serious breeder in the states that you can meet, talk to, and give you support after the sale, then I think you are seriously mis-guided. Of course, I seem to have met many people that feel that the farther they have to go to get a dog, the better it is....
Yes I agree. I would never import if I lived in the US. The only reason for doing it here in Sweden is that you can not get a cropped/docked dogs here because of the law. Having a local breeder that you can visit beforehand and get help from afterwards is really a big plus.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:29 PM   #8 (permalink)
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im going to go ahead a politely disagree. i understand what you are both saying but I am 3/3 and have been more than happy with the dogs I have imported from 2 different kennels. I spoke with them via email, facebook and phone. I have references overseas that have vouched, that may be the difference. I didnt purchase these dogs completely blind, I never would have. Thats not to say I am against getting a dobie here in the states. We just prefer the euros straight from the source. btw, I have a 2 year old and a newborn and we are comfortable having our dobie around them. Obviously its not just where they are from but how they are socialized and trained.
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I am happy that you had a good experience importing. I have, however, heard that there have been problems with the falsification of Eastern European pedigrees. I bought my first Doberman from Mary Rogers when she was in California ,sight unseen, but I wanted a companion dog and had no intention of showing or breeding. He was first generation from a Dutch bitch and Mary built her entire program around Dutch lines. I love the look. When I buy again I will buy a European type from a U.S. breeder to support the program here at home.
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Most recently it cost between 5-600 american dollars to fly out of Frankfurt.
That is a hell of a price, what airline did you use?
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Old 02-08-2012, 06:58 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Continental... He had a layover in new jersey before reaching atlanta. My pup cleared customs in germany before he even entered the states. The other 2 dobies flew with lufthansa. It was a good price but I also had to pay for him to be transported from hungary to frankfurt.
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I don't know, I'm inclined to listen to Kansa, since he's sort of the authority on this... And has more experience than probably most people in this country (not just this forum.)
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im going to go ahead a politely disagree. i understand what you are both saying but I am 3/3 and have been more than happy with the dogs I have imported from 2 different kennels. I spoke with them via email, facebook and phone. I have references overseas that have vouched, that may be the difference. I didnt purchase these dogs completely blind, I never would have. Thats not to say I am against getting a dobie here in the states. We just prefer the euros straight from the source. btw, I have a 2 year old and a newborn and we are comfortable having our dobie around them. Obviously its not just where they are from but how they are socialized and trained.
Of course everyone is titled to their own opinion and I'm glad you are happy with your dogs. There are a few breeders in the u.s. that have excellent quality European dogs for show, pet, and sport. It is my opinion if I could get the same breeding in the U.S. why would I go to all the trouble importing?

I can visit the breeder, visit at least one of the parents, and see other litters. Plus my cost would be much less than importing a puppy. I could understand if you are looking for a particular pedigree and you cannot find it here. Other than that there really is no other reason to import. In fact I see it as a little risky. And I know myself I would never import a Schutzhund prospect if the same lines were offered here. Maybe if I was in Europe and knew the breeder, then I would bring a pup home. But never would I import sight unseen, that's just my opinion.
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Ive spoken with many breeders here in the states.... some on this forum. The cost is not less. It costs me the exact same to import as to get one from a reputable breeder here in the states. So it had nothing to do with cost being higher or lower. My breeder titles her dogs both ways and the sire of my pup was IDC-Jugendsieger 2007, IDC Sieger 2008 and DV Sieger 2008 . People know these dogs and there temperment by there popularity... I didnt have to visit. I already knew what I was looking for and got it. That is why.
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Most dogs from Altobello and Del Nasi don't live longer than 9 years. If you care about a dog longevity... Other than that they are great dogs.

I don't agree you can get the same breeding in US.
There are two different breedings:
- European Dobermans - breeders don't sell the best puppies to States. It's risky to buy online. Good luck.
- NA Dobermans from European lines - breeders adjust a dog look and personalities to NA demands.
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I've imported a bunch of Dobermans from Europe. Based on my personal experience, I agree with Kansa. Forget about the quality of the dog, or even the price, but how do you expect to develope a proper relationship with a person who can't speak English? Or does so very poorly.

A lot of people (noobs and pet people) get enamored by the "look" of european dogs without realizing often this "look" is achieved simply by the style of presentation. The differences between Dobes in Europe and Dobes in North America are very subtle, in person you wouldn't be able to pick them out, unless you are a very serious Doberman person.

For the great majority of people, I see no reason to buy a dog from Europe. All of the reasons you *think* are why you want a European dog are wrong. Whether it's temperament, structure, w/e. The simply best and smartest thing you can do, almost unequivocally, is to buy a dog from somone locally, who you have a rapport with, and will help you select the right dog for your situation.

However, serious American breeders are a bit ridiculous with all the stipulations and how difficult they actually make it to get a good dog.
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Proves my point.

Because noobs and pet people think that picture actually means something.

I can get my dachshund to do that.
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I won't ever purchase a dog from either of these kennels. Personally, I don't like how often Altobello breeds. From their websites, they both do very limited, if any health testing. I don't like how most of the dogs from either kennel have minimal working titles. I also have not read very good things about del Nasi practices...but they are half way around the world so I don't know first hand.

I have a Russian import, I got very lucky in that he is from non-typical lines that seem to be pretty long-lived. I do have contact with the breeder, though it is limited due to a significant language barrier. I wish I knew more about his lines...that is my fault. He is from show lines, but his dam was a police dog and I think that is why he is doing well in sport so far. Now that I have learned a lot more since getting my first dobe, and getting involved with schutzhund, my next doberman will be from working lines. I wouldn't be surprised if I got a puppy from a breeder in the US either. My main concern is health, then working ability, then conformation. I could care less what country the dog is from.
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My decision to import is based on many factors, some opinion and some sound findings. And there is a difference between the AKC standard and FCI or international standard, not so subtle. They are held to different standards. Most countries in Europe adhere to the ZTP for breed suitability as does my breeder and stud. Prior to a dobermann earning their ZTP they must pass rigorous health testing. This is not voluntary, this is the standard that must be adhered too!! I dont *think* these are the reasons I want a euro, I *know*. My decision was not based on pictures. Im not wrong in my reasoning for importing, nor a noob or ignorant pet person.
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well what i like about thoughs kennels are there dogs, like Fedor Del Nasi and Icarus Altobello i'd love a puppy that looks similar to this (body, shape etc)
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well what i like about thoughs kennels are there dogs, like Fedor Del Nasi and Icarus Altobello i'd love a puppy that looks similar to this (body, shape etc)
While these dogs might look nice, intimidating, etc...they are both really overweight.

What do you want to do with your dog? Dobermans are a VERY active breed, they need a job (guarding your house isn't what I'm talking about either).
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My decision to import is based on many factors, some opinion and some sound findings. And there is a difference between the AKC standard and FCI or international standard, not so subtle. They are held to different standards. Most countries in Europe adhere to the ZTP for breed suitability as does my breeder and stud. Prior to a dobermann earning their ZTP they must pass rigorous health testing. This is not voluntary, this is the standard that must be adhered too!! I dont *think* these are the reasons I want a euro, I *know*. My decision was not based on pictures. Im not wrong in my reasoning for importing, nor a noob or ignorant pet person.
Yes the AKC and FCI standards are very different. There are extremes in both groups, but neither one are the most important thing to me when considering a dog. Yes, a dog needs good conformation to do the job it was bred to do...but most importantly it has to have the health and temperament to do it.

What rigorous health testing does a dog have to pass prior to earning a ZTP? I thought it was just the hips...
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