It's tough for me to read threads like this. I own a Hoytt doberman, both of whose parents tested negative for both DCM genes and for Von Willebrands. Both parents were tested by Barrie Hoytt. He does health testing, and I'm not sure where the rumor started that he doesn't.
Well, you just listed 2 tests that he did on 2 dogs. Was that it? What about hips? What about elbows? What about eyes? What about thyroid? What about liver panel? What about cardiac ultrasound? What about Holter testing?
He just had another dog reach the DPCA top twenty in obedience. And this is not the first.
I saw the HoH Doberman that won the top 20 a few years ago in the ring when she was competing in the top 20 competition at the national. Did you?
I saw a dog that performed what was asked of her, and she performed it like a robot going through the motions. There was no animation, no joy. It was like a day at the office, no fun, all work. Although I can agree that she was well trained and didn't make a lot of mistakes, which would win her the competition, it made me sad. The dogs who actually looked they were enjoying themselves with their owners even if not technically correct were more a pleasure to watch.
He won't step foot in a breed ring, and think that pisses a lot of people off. I'm not saying my Hoytt dog would win in the breed ring. He has some physical faults that prevent that. But I didn't want a show dog. I wanted a family dog with the potential to compete in future in obedience and agility. I didn't want a cast-off from a show breeder, because his tail was set too low, or whatever.
Ok, so how does this make any sense? How is your dog with physical faults that prevent showing differ from a show breeder's pet quality dog?
As for his dogs dropping dead from DCM? Not much and not recently.
Seriously?? Come on. I told you in another thread about a member of another board that I had some contact with that lost her 4th or 5th HoH Dobe IN A ROW earlier this year to dcm. I'm sorry that I can't remember if it was #4 or #5, but it hardly matters - each one was a terrible thing for her to go through.
I know a lot of you are breeders, who do all the testing in the world, and you've had dogs with DCM. I agree with testing, but DCM is something that is still being researched, and often doesn't show up until later in life. Until much later, after the dog has already been bred. Barrie, like most breeders, eliminates any dog showing health issues, from his breeding program immediately.
But you didn't mention that he did Holter testing and/or cardiac ultrasounds so I ask you again, were those tests done to the parents of your puppy and on all breeding dogs there? If they weren't done, one or both of its parents could actively have dcm that wasn't outwardly apparent yet. That's the problem with waiting for a dog to show a health issue. You can't always see them. You have to look for them. The gene test is only a part of the puzzle, and we already know it's not foolproof as negative dogs are developing the disease.
Hoytt dogs in rescue? Hmm. Well, Barrie went on another Dobe forum a few years back, and offered $500 for each Hoytt dog whose name and/or tattoo number they could provide that went through a rescue. He also offered to drive personally to wherever it was, and pick up the dog, and donate that $500 to said rescue. He has tattoos on each dog that leaves his kennel. And did you know that not one single person could provide that information?
Could not or would not? Or were they even able to tell it was a HoH tattoo? Where are the tattoos registered? Would a rescue even be able to tell for sure where the tattoo leads? How?
I just don't understand what the true issue is that most of you have with Mr. Hoytt. Yes, he breeds a lot of dogs.
Sounds to me like you do have something of an understanding of what the true issue is with many of us.
Listen, Barrie Hoytt used to be a member of a Doberman board that I read several years ago. Maybe he still is, I dunno. I'm not a member there any more. He posted there that he is a commercial breeder of Dobermans. That he breeds Dobermans to make money. That's not why responsible breeders breed. We're not in it for ourselves. We're in it for the breed. We try to give back to the breed. We don't expect it to provide for us. That is the true issue, IMO.
I'd really love for someone to give me concrete examples of Hoytt dogs that they know personally, and/or dissatisfied Hoytt clients. If any of you has owned a Hoytt doberman, and was dissatisfied, please, contact me. I would LOVE names. Both of the dogs and the owners. You have to have HEARD this stuff from someone. Why not tell me who?
I've been reading Doberman forums for 20ish years now, I'd guess. Yes, I've read this stuff somewhere from various someones. You can't really expect me or any of us to remember each and every single person that ever posted about their rotten experience just as I probably won't remember your screen name in 20 years with your good experience. Just because I won't remember your name doesn't mean I'll be making you up in 20 years when I remember you had a good experience. (But then again, you've still got yourself a puppy there and ultimately, you don't know if your entire experience is going to be good. And that's not wishing you any bad vibes either.)
However, if I had to, I probably could put you in touch with the woman from the other board that lost 4 or 5 HoH Dobes to dcm, and gracieface on this board has a puppy owner that also lost their HoH Dobe to dcm. I know because they contacted me, I didn't have a puppy for them and referred them to gracieface. But is she going to give you their names? Probably not. They deserve privacy unless they're interested in contacting you.
One experience I definitely remember, and I'm sure there are others who remember, too, is a woman who had a HoH Doberman named Keeper. She had a website at one time called Keeper's Corner or Keeper's Korner, can't remember which spelling she used. Keeper attacked her and savagely ripped off half of her scalp. This also played out on the board to which I used to belong where Mr. Hoytt was a member. He treated her terribly, in public, on the board. Basically blamed her. But maybe you too would have thought she was just making up "goofy stories".