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Old 05-29-2012, 01:44 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Reputable Breeders in Colorado?

Does anyone know of ant breeders in Colorado (preferably Colorado Springs to Fortcollins)?
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:46 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Reputable breeders

Where can I find reputable breeders in Colorado? preferably in the Front range.
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I am brand new to this website! I was on google searching whitesage dobermans and came accross this page. I have placed a deposite on a puppy from the most recent Amaya-Houston litter about a month ago. Is this an inbred litter? Im not looking to show the dog, I want a companion dog. However, I want all the health certifications, which I thought she said she had..... I am new to the purchasing of a doberman, my family has always had them though. I feel bad that I am supporting them, but I cant afford to just throw my deposite away unless the dogs are ticking time bombs for health issues. Could anyone show me some facts that I have been reading above?
There are two reputable breeders in Colorado that I would recommend contacting for a puppy:

Gallant Dobermans in Golden (Dr. Mona Fasth DVM)
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Imagemaker Dobermans in Berthoud
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LK450 you will get more results and answers if you start your own thread in the breeders section with more information about if your willing to travel and how far and what you intend to do with your puppy.

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Look up something called "littermate syndrome". Also look up "same sex aggression", which is prominent with Dobermans.

http://leerburg.com/pdf/raisingtwopuppies.pdf

Male on Male Aggression
Makes sense. Thanks for the info.
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Go to American Kennel Club - akc.org, then go to the Doberman breed description page and scroll all the way to the bottom and click the "puppies" button. You will be directed to a search screen, and you can find Doberman breeders there. However, up until last year, Whitesage was advertising their litters there as well, so you're still going to have to dig around and use your own judgement to select a reputable breeder.
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Go to American Kennel Club - akc.org, then go to the Doberman breed description page and scroll all the way to the bottom and click the "puppies" button. You will be directed to a search screen, and you can find Doberman breeders there. However, up until last year, Whitesage was advertising their litters there as well, so you're still going to have to dig around and use your own judgement to select a reputable breeder.
I wouldn't consider that a trustworthy list in any sense of the word.

A better place to start is the DPCA Breeder referral (DPCA | The Doberman | Breeder Referral). Still not a guarantee of a good breeder, but a better place to start the search.
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I very seldom post on here, I lurk and learn. Why do people want advise and then just do the wrong thing anyway? I waited 3 1/2 years for my girl.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:34 AM   #59 (permalink)
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She's done it again! If you read through this chain, you'll see that Amaya had a litter of pups in January and early June; and Rhonda Lawrence just posted on her website (Home - WhiteSage Dobermans) that Amaya is due to deliver another litter on November 15th. That's THREE litters for Amaya in 2012.

And FYI everyone ... it's been over a year that Astro's (one of the studs Rhonda highlights on her website) owner refused to provide semen to Whitesage. Once she was informed of the Lawrence's breeding practices, she was appalled.
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The Washington State University Veterinary Cardiac Genetics Lab keeps a database of the PDK4 DNA results online.
Doberman DCM Test from the VCGL at the College of Veterinary Medicine
(Some elect not to have their results published online, so ask the breeder if the dogs have been tested. Ask the breeder for a copy of the results.)
This link is dead...does anyone know if the database is available somewhere else?
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:28 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I would love to see her dogs' pedigrees. Yikes!!!
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:57 AM   #62 (permalink)
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You MUST ask for pedigrees from Whitesage

I continue to track Rhonda Lawrence's postings on her Whitesage Dobermans website, and she has just posted that she has bred Nikita to Houston We've Got a Problem.

The name of this stud says it all. I believe this litter is as inbred as you can possibly get.

The Lawrence's bitch, Kiaha, is Houston's dam. It is likely that Nikita was born of the Kiah-Houston litter whelped on 1/19/2011. (Yes, a mother to son breeding.) An now Nikita was just bred back to Houston, her half-brother sire.

AND--she's asking a higher price for these pups. Puppies are adorable, and her pricing is palatable for most budgets--BUT life expectancy and numerous health issues are greatly compromised.
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Well I went to look at the little ones. She had 10 pups, very cute. But as mentioned above the breeder did not have much in terms of health certificates. She has offered a 2 year breeders health warranty. The breeder did have a Yugoslavian pedigree of the mother, but nothing from the father. She does not crop ears, that would be an extra $450.

So I am not sure what to do. I am just looking for a companion and exercise partner. I don't think I need to chase these prestigious bloodlines, I'm not going to breed or show the dog. Health is important to me, but there is never a guarantee with any dog. So I told her I would get back to her.
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Looks like it got cut back to Dec 18, 2012.

Is this the new approach? If so, it is better than losing the whole thread...
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Looks like it got cut back to Dec 18, 2012.

Is this the new approach? If so, it is better than losing the whole thread...
More words down the rabbit hole.
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Avoid this breeder. They don't do health testing, they are true backyard breeders, and the quality of their dogs in both health and temperament can not be trusted.

I didn't know better, I was 17 and had never had purchased a puppy before (we always rescued all of our dogs) I hadn't done my research, I had no idea what I was doing, and I bought a beautiful puppy from them about 9 years ago for $900.

I loved him to death, but he was incredibly unstable. We had a wonderful behaviorist who specializes in aggression that worked with us and my vet for years and years. It was manageable with lots of work, and ultimately, medication, but it was clear that his anxiety and aggression was not normal.

I never returned to the breeders for help, because it was pretty clear that they were a big part of the problem, and my focus was to take care of my dog and do what was best for him. Plus, I was really unhappy with the way they treated us after we had paid for the pup. At his follow-up vet appointment to get the stitches taken out of his ears, they showed up, took my puppy into the vet's office, and wouldn't allow me to join them. At the time, I didn't know that this was uncommon. At that time, they also casually mentioned that his off-site father was a bit of a "spaz", but was being trained for "protection".

My dog also had a host of health issues, including thyroid, and in the end, wobblers. I wouldn't trade him for the world, because he honestly was my best friend despite all of the issues. I loved him so much, and I think I was supposed to have him in my life, but I would absolutely NEVER recommend this backyard breeder. They just aren't responsible.

I lost my boy in May after a very long struggle with Wobbler's. I am finally ready to find a new puppy, and I am so disappointed to see so many ads for Whitesage Dobermans on the internet in my search for a good breeder, I just wanted to give a heads up!
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I wanted to post this email I sent to Whitesage Dobermans (Jeff and Rhonda Lawrence) here, and recommend that anyone who is having health issues with their dogs that they have purchased from Whitesage, do the same.

"Hello Rhonda and Jeff,

I purchased two puppies from you, and I need to inform you that to date I have spent nearly $10,000 in surgeries before my pup was even a year old to correct digestive tract issues related to your irresponsible inbreeding practices. For more than a year, I've also seen on various social media channels that your breeding practices and deceitful website advertising continue and are being discussed, and Whitesage litters are manifesting health issues that have severe impact on life-span and overall quality of life.

Your website is fraught with fraudulent representations of your "Females" and your "Stud(s)," and you continue to dupe people into taking on some very serious situations. Since you obviously don't give a damn about animals--beginning with your own Dobermans--breeding them EVERY HEAT CYCLE until they can no longer produce income streams for you--you need to STOP, cease and desist from, irresponsible breeding practices that are producing puppies destined to live miserable lives or be euthanized.

I'm sure there's a special place in hell just for sick, greedy backyard breeders like you."
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I don't know much about them except that they are where I want to be on Google I also know that they are crossing American Lines with European and I don't know why anyone would do that. (in my opinion) it's irresponsible. If you like what you see there, buy a puppy. If you don't know about me yet, I am Robert with Castle Ridge Dobermans.

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I don't know much about them except that they are where I want to be on Google I also know that they are crossing American Lines with European and I don't know why anyone would do that. (in my opinion) it's irresponsible. If you like what you see there, buy a puppy. If not come visit me. If you don't know about me yet, I am Robert with Castle Ridge Dobermans.
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To save the mods the trouble of editing two posts, I've lopped off the sentence with your website.

Umm... yeah, I wouldn't purchase a dog from you, either. Family Dobes, which is where several of your dogs come from, is a puppymill. I didn't bother to look beyond that, so I don't know if you title and /or health test your dogs.
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To save the mods the trouble of editing two posts, I've lopped off the sentence with your website.

Umm... yeah, I wouldn't purchase a dog from you, either. Family Dobes, which is where several of your dogs come from, is a puppymill. I didn't bother to look beyond that, so I don't know if you title and /or health test your dogs.
I noticed the dogs from Family Dobe right away.

While you are slightly better than White Sage (only because your dogs are not severely inbred) it's not by much. I looked, but I saw no mention of any health tests or titling. I would not recommend you as a reputable breeder either, or send anyone to look at your puppies.
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This thread is the sort of material that comes closest to giving me a bruise on my forehead and a dent in my desk.

To be honest, I generally don't even care about BYBs or bashing them as long as they're not being complete, absolute imbeciles.

The degree of inbreeding described here is absolutely insane, filthy, filthy incest, and with no apparent goal whatsoever aside from making money. That's not to mention the breeding on every heat and outright puppy milling. That's only the egregious behavior on the surface, which I doubt has even been scratched.

WHY GOD, WHY? D: D: D:
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