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CarolinaWildcat · 10-13-2010, 04:11 PM

I have been an onlooker of DT for over two years. It took me so long to join because all of the questions I've had about my doberman have been answered in some form or another. I, however, have never in my life been so disgusted at what I've read about Hungs. I personally have a female doberman from Hungs. She is almost two years old and is ABSOLUTELY the healthiest and smartest doberman I have ever come in contact with. I have owned four dobermans and she takes the cake! The funny thing is, I've known many people who have purchased these 'prized' dobermans you all seem to know and love for thousands of dollars and almost everyone of these dobermans have had serious health problems at one time or another. I paid under $1000 for an IMMACULATE doberman from Hungs. Sure the dogs at Hungs don't eat their food out of silver platters, but these dogs are VERY much loved and very well taken care of! All of the people who knock him down for having 'poor' conditions and for running a so-called 'puppy mill' have most likely never even been on his property. You all act like a class of middle schoolers, which I know well of since I am the mother of a 13 year old. Making fun of the breeder for his weight and insulting his intelligence shows that you all do not have the best interest in mind for the dobermans, you just want to make yourselves feel better and attack a breeder that you are most likely, deep down, insanely jealous of. His success burns you all up.

I know for a fact that his dobermans are shipped all over the world. In fact, 17 of his dobermans are used for security in the Philippines. How many of your $2000 dobermans, or any dog for that matter, have come from any breeder that holds such high award. He has rescued dobermans from being put down. How can you say that he doesn't care about his dogs? Also, the photo-shopping that you all seem to accuse him of is NONSENSE. I can promise you that none of the dogs are photo shopped. They are a European blood-line and are essentially a bigger breed. My female doberman weighs 90 lbs and stands 28 inches tall and is in, like I said before, immaculate condition. I am sorry if your expensive doberman does not look as good as his do. I guess you all are doing the best you can, sitting behind your computers and insulting someone and something that you have no idea about.

Lexus · 10-13-2010, 05:04 PM

lol... welcome to DT firstly...

I love it how it's always "jealousy" that apparently fuels people to be unappreciative of poor breeding practices....

Anyway... I'm glad your young dog is healthy and smart.... actually I've yet to meet a "dumb" doberman, but I digress....

I do have to say if she is actually 28 inches... she is over-sized and non standard. Not that it's the end of the world... but good breeders breed for a standard, not supersize.

My female is all euro and is 24"-25" and 74 lbs. IMO she's a substancial bitch. I wouldn't want her any larger.

Anyway, I wish you the very best with your dog. But I'm afraid I still cannot give the green light in my opinion of your breeder. I'm not even going to go into everything. Seems like it's already been said.

You've just got to live with opinions

It's a big world out there and most of the time, you just aren't going to get everyone to agree with you.

Murreydobe · 10-13-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaWildcat

They are a European blood-line and are essentially a bigger breed. My female doberman weighs 90 lbs and stands 28 inches tall and is in, like I said before, immaculate condition..

A 28" female would have a disqualifying fault (over height) in Europe, according to the standard used there.

The ideal height range in that standard for bitches is 63-68 cm. That works out to 24.8 to 26.8 inches. Any dog whose height deviates more than 2 cm. from the range has a DQ.

KevinK · 10-13-2010, 05:22 PM

one look at that site, and the dogs, and I can't see how anyone would want to get a dog from there... reading one of the posts about this topic now, everything that needed to be said was said, but jeeze... defending this guy? lol

RedFawnRising · 10-13-2010, 05:31 PM

Hi! Welcome to the forum.

I am so jellis of ur Immaculate Doberman.

Has she had her first communion yet?

BoxMeIn21 · 10-13-2010, 05:34 PM

ROFLMAO. Ummmmm yeah. After researching what makes a good breeder a good breeder, Hungs would not be on my list. And I love the first time posters defending their irresponsible breeders.
OP, I am glad your girl is loved and is healthy, but stick around, you might learn something.

avianantics · 10-13-2010, 05:36 PM

Welcome to the forum. This is the U S of A and we are all welcome to do as we please.
You know what they say about Opinions... and Suckers...

Good luck to you!

CarolinaWildcat · 10-13-2010, 05:44 PM

I am not trying to open a new can of worms, but I hate hearing people comment on breeders they have never even met or have never even set foot on their property. I know that he cares about his dogs because he teared up as we signed the papers for the doberman I purchased from him. He spends more time with his dogs than most people spend with their kids. On the jealousy issue, I was talking about the ones who made fun of his weight. People pick on others appearance when they are jealous. Just a plain point.

What shocks me is that you all want dobermans that are lap dogs. A doberman to me is protective working dog. My doberman is also a member of the family. If I didn't want a protective dog, I would have gotten a poodle. In my opinion, I like bigger dobermans.

Bottom line: If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!

CarolinaWildcat · 10-13-2010, 05:48 PM

My overall OPINION about the most active members on this website is that if you really spent the massive amount of time that you claim to spend with your dogs, you'd have a much lower post count. Oh, and that you think that your opinions are more important than others.

BoxMeIn21 · 10-13-2010, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaWildcat

Bottom line: If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!

Really? Bottom line, if it looks like a puppy mill or BYB, then it probably is. Hung's looks like both. I don't need to visit his kennel to see that he is breeding not only inferior dogs but A LOT of dogs. GAG.

tnh317 · 10-13-2010, 05:53 PM

Brazen · 10-13-2010, 05:56 PM

You want a big dog, get a Great Dane. Otherwise, please stick to the standard. Oh, and btw, bigger letters does not give your post more depth or meaning.

Deathmetal · 10-13-2010, 05:56 PM

There is a difference between being ignorant screaming I CAN'T HEAR JOOO like a child and thinking you are right, and researching countless hours on a subject and saying 'um, I don't think you are right because of x, y, and z.'
In my experiance, ignorant people tend to be the ones screaming, about anything, and the educated say their point and walk away. Because argueing with ignorance is like talking to a wall and anyone with a shred of intelligence knows walls don't have ears.

the_discowhore · 10-13-2010, 05:56 PM

There are people here who have Dobermans from this breeder. He left some of his dogs sitting in shelters, so there are people here who rescued dogs from those shelters. If he is such a great breeder then WHY did he leave some of the dogs he bred to die in a shelter? Doesn't seem so great to me.

Tell me, with 90 dogs or whatever on site that are kept outside (not in a house) how exactly does he spend more time with his dogs than anyone here? My dogs are with someone for about 23 hours a day, they are never left outside in a pen by themselves- they are domestic dogs, pets, not freaking cows or sheep.

And there are dogs on that website that are overweight, you can't hide that. It's cruel to keep a dog in an overweight condition, simple. No good breeder or pet owner would keep their dogs fat.

So you are saying if you don't want a protective dog, get a poodle, well I am saying if you don't want a medium sized dog- GET AN ENGLISH MASTIFF! It swings both ways sister.

So your family dog isn't a lap dog then? You don't want a dog that wants to be close to you? Part of why a Doberman is such a great personal protection dog (note personal protection, not sheep or property protection) is because they form such close, strong bonds with their owners, and hey if my dog wants to be close to me and cuddle all the time then that's even better- but trust me she is no less protective of me because of it.

See, the thing about this breeder is, he isn't selling working dogs. None of his dogs work. Unless you count breeding as work, because they are breeding machines. If you wanted a working dog, you would go to a working dog breeder, such as some of the breeders on this forum who participate in working sports and have proven working dogs.

astra · 10-13-2010, 05:59 PM

From the Dobermantalk Manifesto:

You need to look around and decide if this is the community you want to be part of. We have some very strong beliefs here. Our first and for most is that we want to better the breed, so we are very passionate about this and everyone needs to be aware of this. Our community is very dedicated to welfare of the Doberman. They will always have the interests of the Doberman first.

Since you have been lurking for 2 years, I'm sure you are well aware that there are NO Hungs Iron Kennel supporters here

tnh317 · 10-13-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaWildcat

They are a European blood-line and are essentially a bigger breed. My female doberman weighs 90 lbs and stands 28 inches tall and is in, like I said before, immaculate condition. I am sorry if your expensive doberman does not look as good as his do. I guess you all are doing the best you can, sitting behind your computers and insulting someone and something that you have no idea about.

No, no they're not. That Euro greeder marketing crap won't fly here.

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Originally Posted by CarolinaWildcat

What shocks me is that you all want dobermans that are lap dogs. A doberman to me is protective working dog. My doberman is also a member of the family. If I didn't want a protective dog, I would have gotten a poodle. In my opinion, I like bigger dobermans.
Bottom line: If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!

Biggs suggests that you follow your own advice and get back on the porch / under the rock / bridge.

**sam&macksmom** · 10-13-2010, 06:36 PM

glad you've "used" the forum over the years to have your questions answered. Why not use your fabulous breeder instead?

arwclubhouse · 10-13-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tnh317

No, no they're not. That Euro greeder marketing crap won't fly here.

Biggs suggests that you follow your own advice and get back on the porch / under the rock / bridge.

I agree with Biggs and I believe he nailed it with the bridge, that's where you will typically find Trolls!!!!

Just sayin!

Incredibledobe · 10-13-2010, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaWildcat

I am not trying to open a new can of worms, but I hate hearing people comment on breeders they have never even met or have never even set foot on their property. I know that he cares about his dogs because he teared up as we signed the papers for the doberman I purchased from him. He spends more time with his dogs than most people spend with their kids. On the jealousy issue, I was talking about the ones who made fun of his weight. People pick on others appearance when they are jealous. Just a plain point.

What shocks me is that you all want dobermans that are lap dogs. A doberman to me is protective working dog. My doberman is also a member of the family. If I didn't want a protective dog, I would have gotten a poodle. In my opinion, I like bigger dobermans.

Bottom line: If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on the porch!

God I wish there was a way to undo a mistaken Thanks! Your post is pretty funny. I have had the pleasure of several phone calls from Mr. hung and he has never seen me, yet he delighted in several nasty remarks about my appearance, not to mention all of the death threats. The man has a mouth that could rival the worst of the worst. And I have experienced that for myself. Yeah, he is a REAL nice guy - NOT! LoL!
Can you spell H Y P O C R I T E????
There is no need to visit or meet a bad breeder when they put their stupidity and shameless treatment of the breed right on their own website for all of the world to see. You get to hear it straight from their own mouths that way. Leaves no room or need for anyone to form their own opinions when the greeder provides the info for you. I just don't get how every defender (read Greeder) comes on here and accuses people of not knowing the greeder so how can they judge the poor thing? Uh, because they are the ones putting the information out there!
And guess what? All of my dogs are lap dogs and all of my dogs actually work. Neither hungs nor you would know a true working dog if the facts bit you in the butt.
Sending dogs to the Phillipines to work security is a good thing? Not unless you just don't give a damn about your dogs as long as the cash is there - oh wait! We ARE talking about Hungs.

ETA: Here come the phone calls!

**sam&macksmom** · 10-13-2010, 06:54 PM

you rock Lorna

p.s. keep the tape recorder by the phone

CarolinaWildcat · 10-13-2010, 08:39 PM

You bunch of tree huggers,I guess yall voted for obama to didnt ya!Your dogs are just so perfect,you know everything about dobermans dont ya!You make me wanna puke!If they put your brain on a razor blade it would be like a bb rolling down a 4 lane highway.Can we add one more d to this board and make it the ddt board.Doberman Drama Talk.Thanks for the welcome on the board,I love yall to.

**sam&macksmom** · 10-13-2010, 08:42 PM

feel free to exit stage left

Deathmetal · 10-13-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaWildcat

You bunch of tree huggers,I guess yall voted for obama to didnt ya!Your dogs are just so perfect,you know everything about dobermans dont ya!You make me wanna puke!If they put your brain on a razor blade it would be like a bb rolling down a 4 lane highway.Can we add one more d to this board and make it the ddt board.Doberman Drama Talk.Thanks for the welcome on the board,I love yall to.

Don't be too offended. We're just your average know it alls who hate on everyone who isnt part of our little club.

Seriously, if you wanted people to say you know what? your right! Theres another forum that will!
don't let the log out button hit you on your way out!

MeganUK · 10-13-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaWildcat

You bunch of tree huggers,I guess yall voted for obama to didnt ya!Your dogs are just so perfect,you know everything about dobermans dont ya!You make me wanna puke!If they put your brain on a razor blade it would be like a bb rolling down a 4 lane highway.Can we add one more d to this board and make it the ddt board.Doberman Drama Talk.Thanks for the welcome on the board,I love yall to.

nice.

punkischic · 10-13-2010, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolinaWildcat

You bunch of tree huggers,I guess yall voted for obama to didnt ya!Your dogs are just so perfect,you know everything about dobermans dont ya!You make me wanna puke!If they put your brain on a razor blade it would be like a bb rolling down a 4 lane highway.Can we add one more d to this board and make it the ddt board.Doberman Drama Talk.Thanks for the welcome on the board,I love yall to.

Wow, I had to post on this here piece of work.

I think everyone, at some point or another, has gotten into a disagreement or argument with another member. Why? Because everyone who takes a personal interest in the betterment of this breed is passionate in regards to the condition and overall quality (ie. conformation, temperament and health) of dogs being produced.

It is more than obvious that the sole purpose of these so-called "immaculate" Dobermans that cost under a grand is none other than making money. If you don't health test and don't prove your dogs in any venue, and sell your dogs for x amount, then you will make a profit. It's a given.

I would suggest you bow out gracefully. Oh, and you are right, I am a tremendous tree hugger since I do care about the environment, and I did vote for Obama. For someone who condemns making personal attacks on another who they supposedly do not know, you sure know how to do it.