Originally Posted by Sharly

You are thinking of the Documentary: the science of dogs The one with the lady that domesticated the silver foxes and the litter of puppies raised with a litter of wolf cubs, yes? It is on Netflix.

Originally Posted by workingk9s

I guess by that logic, I shouldn't have to feed my dog kibble. I mean... wolves get food themselves. Whew, what a relief! I was spending sooooo much on food!

Originally Posted by melbrod

Friend of mine told me about a doberman, a gorgeous fellow, who lived across the street where he lived down south. He never felt like his owners took good care of him--at night, when it was chilly, the dog used to crawl into the crawl space under the house to sleep and keep warm--and his owners thought that was just fine.

Then one day, after a very cold night, the woman owner came over for help. She couldn't get the dog to come out from under the house, she said.

My friend went over and called the dog's name--no response. So he got down on his stomach and wormed his way under the house.

That's when he found the dog, curled up in a stiff tight ball. He had frozen to death during the night.

Dobermans are not cold weather outside dogs.

Originally Posted by Q734

THANK YOU Sharly!!!! That was driving me nuts(!) Fascinating how the wolves were determined to solve the meat in cage issue themselves and the dogs gave up and looked up to their people to help out.

Hell my boy whines if he gets a ball under the furniture. We're well trained monkeys over here.

Originally Posted by melbrod

Friend of mine told me about a doberman, a gorgeous fellow, who lived across the street where he lived down south. He never felt like his owners took good care of him--at night, when it was chilly, the dog used to crawl into the crawl space under the house to sleep and keep warm--and his owners thought that was just fine.

Then one day, after a very cold night, the woman owner came over for help. She couldn't get the dog to come out from under the house, she said.

My friend went over and called the dog's name--no response. So he got down on his stomach and wormed his way under the house.

That's when he found the dog, curled up in a stiff tight ball. He had frozen to death during the night.

Dobermans are not cold weather outside dogs.

Originally Posted by greenkouki

Dobermans are not outside dogs period! They deserve to be with their people. If you want an 'outside guard dog' get a Pyrenees. That's such a sad story mel.

Originally Posted by melbrod

Friend of mine told me about a doberman, a gorgeous fellow, who lived across the street where he lived down south. He never felt like his owners took good care of him--at night, when it was chilly, the dog used to crawl into the crawl space under the house to sleep and keep warm--and his owners thought that was just fine.

Then one day, after a very cold night, the woman owner came over for help. She couldn't get the dog to come out from under the house, she said.

My friend went over and called the dog's name--no response. So he got down on his stomach and wormed his way under the house.

That's when he found the dog, curled up in a stiff tight ball. He had frozen to death during the night.

Dobermans are not cold weather outside dogs.

Originally Posted by RedFawnRising

It's not like I don't know this happens all the time, all the days, all the years, to so many dogs, but...crying now.

Originally Posted by heinigerich@yahoo.com

This its Thor. He is a almost one year old Doberman that we both cherish. He is almost 90 pounds and truthfully, I don’t know how tall he is. I do know that his XL cage he is standing next to is pretty big. His AKC name that we are sending in the registry for is Hungs Vasilious Thorvald. He is our baby boy that has had NO problems. He has one hell of a temperament and yes, he is a very large Doberman. That is what we wanted. he scares the pants off of anybody that comes around our house, even though he will lick them to death. I am in the Army and I did my research when I was in Columbia South Carolina and I found Jordan out in the woods. Go ahead and talk crap about him all you want, its ok, but you don’t know him or his dogs like I do. You probably have never have been in a military training kennel like I have. A little background on me is I am a military bomb dog handler that is deploying to Afghanistan in less that a month. Jordan loves and cares for the dogs that he raises with the money that he makes from the dogs that he sells. Every back yard greeder sells for profit. He sells his dogs to pay for food and upgrades to the property like fencing and fence poles and electric wire. Yes, he uses electric fencing because if you have never been in the country and have had to keep animals that want to kill each other apart, you need electric fence. Jordan is 10 steps above Hoytt and Kimbertal. They just make you pay 1000 times more for there puppies than Jordan even thinks of. I know that everybody has there “what I think is best”, but it is ok to be wrong.

Originally Posted by El_Guapo

Beautiful dog in your pics, thanks for sharing. Your dog, Thor and 'greenkouki's dog both came from that same kennel and they are two of the best looking dogs on this forum.

Originally Posted by greenkouki

He is a very sweet dog but not well bred at all.

Originally Posted by workingk9s

Does it matter?

Anyone who has that many dogs on one property cannot, IMO, be worth much as a breeder. I like my dogs as members of my family, not as a means of a business or stuck in small cages.

Originally Posted by El_Guapo

Excuse me?