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This its Thor. He is a almost one year old Doberman that we both cherish. He is almost 90 pounds and truthfully, I don’t know how tall he is. I do know that his XL cage he is standing next to is pretty big. His AKC name that we are sending in the registry for is Hungs Vasilious Thorvald. He is our baby boy that has had NO problems. He has one hell of a temperament and yes, he is a very large Doberman. That is what we wanted. he scares the pants off of anybody that comes around our house, even though he will lick them to death. I am in the Army and I did my research when I was in Columbia South Carolina and I found Jordan out in the woods. Go ahead and talk crap about him all you want, its ok, but you don’t know him or his dogs like I do. You probably have never have been in a military training kennel like I have. A little background on me is I am a military bomb dog handler that is deploying to Afghanistan in less that a month. Jordan loves and cares for the dogs that he raises with the money that he makes from the dogs that he sells. Every back yard greeder sells for profit. He sells his dogs to pay for food and upgrades to the property like fencing and fence poles and electric wire. Yes, he uses electric fencing because if you have never been in the country and have had to keep animals that want to kill each other apart, you need electric fence. Jordan is 10 steps above Hoytt and Kimbertal. They just make you pay 1000 times more for there puppies than Jordan even thinks of. I know that everybody has there “what I think is best”, but it is ok to be wrong.
You're boy is pretty, welcome to the forum.

To the part I bolded. That may be true, but 10 steps above those two really isn't saying much.
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This its Thor. He is a almost one year old Doberman that we both cherish. He is almost 90 pounds and truthfully, I don’t know how tall he is. I do know that his XL cage he is standing next to is pretty big. His AKC name that we are sending in the registry for is Hungs Vasilious Thorvald. He is our baby boy that has had NO problems. He has one hell of a temperament and yes, he is a very large Doberman. That is what we wanted. he scares the pants off of anybody that comes around our house, even though he will lick them to death. I am in the Army and I did my research when I was in Columbia South Carolina and I found Jordan out in the woods. Go ahead and talk crap about him all you want, its ok, but you don’t know him or his dogs like I do. You probably have never have been in a military training kennel like I have. A little background on me is I am a military bomb dog handler that is deploying to Afghanistan in less that a month. Jordan loves and cares for the dogs that he raises with the money that he makes from the dogs that he sells. Every back yard greeder sells for profit. He sells his dogs to pay for food and upgrades to the property like fencing and fence poles and electric wire. Yes, he uses electric fencing because if you have never been in the country and have had to keep animals that want to kill each other apart, you need electric fence. Jordan is 10 steps above Hoytt and Kimbertal. They just make you pay 1000 times more for there puppies than Jordan even thinks of. I know that everybody has there “what I think is best”, but it is ok to be wrong.
The "scares the pants off" job is very ably carried out by a 50 pound mixed breed bitch at my house.

I'm glad you are happy with your dog.

One question, though.You say he uses some of the money generated by puppy sales to pay for "upgrades" like elctric fencing. Is the electic fence used to keep the dogs apart?
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I have seen his dogs that are over 11 years old and ALL of his stock is quite healthy. Try to grantee the health on a human about the subject of cancer when they are a newborn, it doesn’t matter what you guarantee on an animal, CRAP HAPPENS!!!!!! His animals are well cared for. I helped him out every weekend around the farm, feeding, fencing and posting and cleaning. People have forgotten that dogs are domesticated Wolves. Wolves live outside and sleep in the woods. People think that there animal is more special because they were born and raised on a carpet rather than the dirt then mother nature provided. Just a heads up, every litter born on his property is born in his house then when they are ready, moved to an outside kennel to live and flourish.
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And buy the way, Thor is going in for his 1 year check up and he will have all labs checked. I will submit the findings of this abused, back yard greeder dog that has no chance for living a full and loving life without a garentee from a (G)Breeder.
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I have seen his dogs that are over 11 years old and ALL of his stock is quite healthy. Try to grantee the health on a human about the subject of cancer when they are a newborn, it doesn’t matter what you guarantee on an animal, CRAP HAPPENS!!!!!! His animals are well cared for. I helped him out every weekend around the farm, feeding, fencing and posting and cleaning. People have forgotten that dogs are domesticated Wolves. Wolves live outside and sleep in the woods. People think that there animal is more special because they were born and raised on a carpet rather than the dirt then mother nature provided. Just a heads up, every litter born on his property is born in his house then when they are ready, moved to an outside kennel to live and flourish.


"grantees" aside, this so called breeder has up to 90 dogs on premises at one time. How is that okay and not the definition of a puppy mill?
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People have forgotten that dogs are domesticated Wolves. Wolves live outside and sleep in the woods.
Wolves have a double layer coat that protects them from the elements, dobermans do not.
Plus, the doberman breed was created by humans. They were not domesticated down from wolves.

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Just a heads up, every litter born on his property is born in his house then when they are ready, moved to an outside kennel to live and flourish.
Same with my boy's breeder, oh except that none of the dogs, nor the puppies, are EVER moved out of the house. Also, all the breeding dogs are proven in multiple venues and health tested.
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Just as a heads up, if he's already a year old, you might want to get a move on if you want to register him without paying extra. The registration application is only valid for a year from when it was issued.

As for health checks, make sure you do a baseline echo and holter when he's about 2 years old, and have them redone every 2 to 3 years. You can probably go ahead and do a baseline thyroid check at his one year checkup.
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CARDIOMYOPATHY - is suspected to be an inherited disease in Dobermans. Research is in progress in several institutions. An echocardiogram of the heart will confirm the disease but WILL not guarantee that the disease will not develop in the future. A 24 hour holter will record Premature Ventricular Contractions
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Yep. If the dog developes the disease, catching it early can add considerably to both their quality and quantity of life. Of course, sometimes the first sign the dog has a problem is when they just up and die with no warning.
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Wolves also live in the tundra and the great north. Jordan lives in South Carolina. If you can tell me the definition of Anthropomorphic, then you have answered your statement.
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Wolves also live in the tundra and the great north. Jordan lives in South Carolina. If you can tell me the definition of Anthropomorphic, then you have answered your statement.
I can tell you about frost-bite and how it's super effective against creatures that have no protection from it.
And yes, it gets pretty cold in SC.

Edit: Plus, humans are descendants from monkeys but I bet you don't go swinging from trees.


I can also tell you how dobermans were created as personal protection dogs, as in, to personally protect their people. They were created to form a strong bond with their human. These are dogs that strive in the company of their person. You don't get that when your human is living in a house and you're living outside. Would you have the same relationship with your significant other if they made you live outside while they were in the house?
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Yeah, well, the Gulf Coast region of Texas, where I live, isn't exactly the Arctic Tundra. There was a story on our local news about a couple of dogs that died from exposure last winter. As in, they froze to death, because they were kept outside with no shelter. Happens every single year.
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Yeah, well, the Gulf Coast region of Texas, where I live, isn't exactly the Arctic Tundra. There was a story on our local news about a couple of dogs that died from exposure last winter. As in, they froze to death, because they were kept outside with no shelter. Happens every single year.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:12 PM   #168 (permalink)
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I have had dogs in my life for the last 33 years. A dog on your property doent need to sleep in your house to protect you. I had a Doberman when I was 10 and we lived on 99 acres, he never slept in the house. He would rather sleep outside. Protective, he never let anybody out of the car when they came up the drive untill Scott came out and told dillon it was ok. Dillon would step back and Scott would greet our guest and then he would go about his buisness. But Dillon came from a back yard greeder, so he was worth nothing to our family.......LOL. He lived to 13. He is the reason why I have Thor now.
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Jordans dogs have dog houses outside. But you wouldnt know that because you havnt been there. The military kennels we house are wide open in Arizona. We have Golden Labs, Black Labs and Pitbull's that live just fine in the cold. Dont try and put your human tendancys on an dog.
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Jordans dogs have dog houses outside. But you wouldnt know that because you havnt been there.
Yikes, I don't have to go there because the pictures he puts up are of his Dobies behind big wire cages..



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Jordans dogs have dog houses outside. But you wouldnt know that because you havnt been there. The military kennels we house are wide open in Arizona. We have Golden Labs, Black Labs and Pitbull's that live just fine in the cold. Dont try and put your human tendancys on an dog.
What is a Golden Lab?

Does it have gilt applied all over?

That must be an expensive dog.
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BTW.... Why isn't that dog neutered? Please don't say you plan on breeding him.

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Sorry but your comparing how modern domesticated dogs should live to how wolves survive out in the elements negates thousands of years of manmade genetic manipulation.

Your boy has a single coat. If it's cold out for you it's cold out for him. He's gorgeous btw regardless of where you got him but no caring breeder would allow dogs of their breeding to be forced to suffer in rough outdoor conditions, particularly a breed that is meant to be in close proximity to its people...like the doberman.


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There is a documentary out that compares how wolves and dogs relate to humans. Domesticated dogs absolutely look to their humans for help and answers, they read our faces, wolves do none of those things even when raised from pups around humans.

Wish I could recall the title of that doc but it escapes me. It should be required viewing for anyone who still subscribes to the dated "wolf" dog approach to our domesticated animals. Evolve....
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Sorry but your comparing how modern domesticated dogs should live to how wolves survive out in the elements negates thousands of years of manmade genetic manipulation.

Your boy has a single coat. If it's cold out for you it's cold out for him. He's gorgeous btw regardless of where you got him but no caring breeder would allow dogs of their breeding to be forced to suffer in rough outdoor conditions, particularly a breed that is meant to be in close proximity to its people...like the doberman.


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There is a documentary out that compares how wolves and dogs relate to humans. Domesticated dogs absolutely look to their humans for help and answers, they read our faces, wolves do none of those things even when raised from pups around humans.

Wish I could recall the title of that doc but it escapes me. It should be required viewing for anyone who still subscribes to the dated "wolf" dog approach to our domesticated animals. Evolve....

You are thinking of the Documentary: the science of dogs The one with the lady that domesticated the silver foxes and the litter of puppies raised with a litter of wolf cubs, yes? It is on Netflix.
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You are thinking of the Documentary: the science of dogs The one with the lady that domesticated the silver foxes and the litter of puppies raised with a litter of wolf cubs, yes? It is on Netflix.
I've seen several documentaries along the same research lines.

One of the more interesting ones pointed out that domesticated dogs, while evolving from a common canid ancestor from which the wolf also evolved--adapted as more of a scavenger, and therefore many behaviors diverged, many behaviors that were advantageous to the wolf, were not to the dog, and vice versa.

Anytime anyone starts spouting the romanticized nonsense about wolves=dogs, I just want to put them back in sixth grade science class.

I think folks like this are hung up on the idea that they are "in charge of a wolf," and they don't even almost know the truth of the matter.

And, comparing the needs of a Doberman to an artic wolf makes as much sense as setting up the same environment and care for a Przewalski's as for a TB racehorse in training.
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