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01-22-2013, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by chloe  Who said I paid 1800 for her? I highly doubt he would just stop breeding if people quit buying from him. If people quit buying from him the dogs would more than likely just starve to death. Why would you think that if everyone on here would buy/rescue just 1 pup/dog from him it would just keep on supporting his breeding? Don't you think that if he sold out that he would just get out of it all together? | Trust me, someone who had to learn the hard way .. giving them money IS allowing them to continue breeding, not the other way around. Yes it is putting food before them, to keep them breeding and to keep him selling puppies. My girl came from a horrible puppy mill greeder and I wish I could have gotten her without giving him the money for her. I have learned so much since buying her that if I could do something different I would!! DONT PAY THESE HORRIBLE PEOPLE!!!!! that is the ONLY way to make them stop what they are doing. Wait til they give up the dogs to rescue then get them if you really want to help but please do NOT support them!!
I realize this is an old thread but I had to say this.
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01-22-2013, 12:14 PM
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#252 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by El_Guapo Thank you for the response. I appreciate the effort to educate. I completely understand the costs involved with producing a confirmed healthy litter with proven correct conformation. I am not in disagreement with the principles of the breed or this forum at all. I simply do not understand why people that pursue companion dogs for their beauty or personality are being attacked here.
The people that buy dogs from this kennel are not impeding on your goals or your focus by not participating in health testing or shows. | My dog is a companion dog. I got him for companionship and no other reason. I had no interest in showing in any venue (still don't) and did not get him with any other goal in mind (therapy, SAR, coursing, service, etc). My dog is my pet. He is STUNNING and his personality is amazing - two things that drew me to the breed in the first place.
That all being said, I've never felt attacked here for choosing this breed for such reasons and I am on this forum often enough that, if I was to be attacked for it, I'm sure it would have happened at least once by now.
Just so you know.
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01-22-2013, 12:16 PM
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#253 (permalink)
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Location: Michigan Dogs Name: Nexus & Bella (R.I.P. Mysti) Titles: Nexus = Spaztastic - Bella = LuvBug Dogs Age: Nexus = 4/14/2010 Bella = 2/19/2011
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Originally Posted by heinigerich@yahoo.com I have seen his dogs that are over 11 years old and ALL of his stock is quite healthy. Try to grantee the health on a human about the subject of cancer when they are a newborn, it doesn’t matter what you guarantee on an animal, CRAP HAPPENS!!!!!! His animals are well cared for. I helped him out every weekend around the farm, feeding, fencing and posting and cleaning. People have forgotten that dogs are domesticated Wolves. Wolves live outside and sleep in the woods. People think that there animal is more special because they were born and raised on a carpet rather than the dirt then mother nature provided. Just a heads up, every litter born on his property is born in his house then when they are ready, moved to an outside kennel to live and flourish. | omfg you cant be serious .......
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01-22-2013, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam1491 
consider yourself reported as well... | Reported? Because I disagree with you? Nice! | |
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01-22-2013, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Guapo More unwarranted generalizations which this thread is full of. | 
That's all 
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01-22-2013, 12:28 PM
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#256 (permalink)
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Location: Michigan Dogs Name: Nexus & Bella (R.I.P. Mysti) Titles: Nexus = Spaztastic - Bella = LuvBug Dogs Age: Nexus = 4/14/2010 Bella = 2/19/2011
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Originally Posted by El_Guapo With the amount of puppies he makes available to new owners, it is no surprise that some eventually end up in shelters. How many? It is probably impossible to tell. But of course, it cannot all be blamed on the breeder. This is the fault of the owner.
And it effects you because you choose to let it effect you. You choose to do rescue work. So to then complain of the amount of rescues is a bit unreasonable.
If you are convinced that only poor bred dogs go to rescues and shelters, why not just put them all down? That would solve a lot of the problems expressed on this thread and in this forum, wouldn't it? | I disagree. If he was not overbreeding and if he had the good judgement to place in responsible homes rather than giving a pup to the first person with money they would not end up in a shelter to begin with. It IS the fault of the breeder for over breeding and being indiscriminate and giving a pup to anyone with money.
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01-22-2013, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Guapo Reported? Because I disagree with you? Nice! | nope, you're more than entitled to your own opinion. I reported you for being a troll, and only being here to stir up trouble and waste our time.
Have a nice day 
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01-22-2013, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam1491 nope, you're more than entitled to your own opinion. I reported you for being a troll, and only being here to stir up trouble and waste our time.
Have a nice day | This is the only thread I have even participated in because it is one that interests me. My questions and concerns here are valid. If anything, it is the posters in this thread that know nothing about this kennel or the dogs it produces that are "trolling".
1. this kennel has produced some of the best looking dogs on this forum.
2. they have no known health problems
yet many of you continue to publicly slander this kennel because it does not meet your personal preferences. There are no crimes being committed.
Presenting those comments gets you "reported" on this forum. I am not "wasting" your time. You do not have to post in this thread. Considering you have no experience with this kennel or it's dogs, maybe you shouldn't? | |
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01-22-2013, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Guapo This is the only thread I have even participated in because it is one that interests me. My questions and concerns here are valid. If anything, it is the posters in this thread that know nothing about this kennel or the dogs it produces that are "trolling".
1. this kennel has produced some of the best looking dogs on this forum.
2. they have no known health problems
yet many of you continue to publicly slander this kennel because it does not meet your personal preferences. There are no crimes being committed.
Presenting those comments gets you "reported" on this forum. I am not "wasting" your time. You do not have to post in this thread. Considering you have no experience with this kennel or it's dogs, maybe you shouldn't? | What drew you to this forum? On that same note, how long have to spent reading this forum?
How long have you spent researching the breed? The standard, the temperament, the health problems, etc.
Do you have a doberman? Where does this passion for a poorly bred dog come from? Have you ever done rescue work?
These are legitimate questions. | |
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01-22-2013, 12:47 PM
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Location: Michigan Dogs Name: Nexus & Bella (R.I.P. Mysti) Titles: Nexus = Spaztastic - Bella = LuvBug Dogs Age: Nexus = 4/14/2010 Bella = 2/19/2011
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Originally Posted by El_Guapo This is the only thread I have even participated in because it is one that interests me. My questions and concerns here are valid. If anything, it is the posters in this thread that know nothing about this kennel or the dogs it produces that are "trolling".
1. this kennel has produced some of the best looking dogs on this forum.
2. they have no known health problems
yet many of you continue to publicly slander this kennel because it does not meet your personal preferences. There are no crimes being committed.
Presenting those comments gets you "reported" on this forum. I am not "wasting" your time. You do not have to post in this thread. Considering you have no experience with this kennel or it's dogs, maybe you shouldn't? | I am sure that most of Kerwins dogs "look" great too, I know mine does, however just because someone's dogs look great does not make them great! There are all kinds of hidden issues which someone without the knowledge would never recognize as health issues. I might not have gotten a dog from this guy but I can see a carbon copy of the horrible person I got my own dog from and it doesnt take rocket science to see this guy has no business breeding. Maybe he does love his dogs, and good for him, however a Doberman is NOT an outside dog, it needs human contact. Someone said in a previous post that the dogs were always eager to see him and it is probably because they crave human contact. This man should stop breeding, move his dogs indoors and if he truly loves the breed so much fix all his dogs and make them happy house pets!
My dog is both gorgeous, as MANY people have told me, and she is healthy, to a point. She suffers from anxiety which to an untrained person can go as unseen or mistaken for energetic. She is from someone exactly like this man who sees dollar signs with every puppy his bitches spit out.
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01-22-2013, 12:49 PM
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01-22-2013, 12:52 PM
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01-22-2013, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Guapo yes | Yes what? | |
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01-22-2013, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Guapo This is the only thread I have even participated in because it is one that interests me. My questions and concerns here are valid. If anything, it is the posters in this thread that know nothing about this kennel or the dogs it produces that are "trolling".
1. this kennel has produced some of the best looking dogs on this forum.
2. they have no known health problems
| Two dogs is not a statistically significant sample size, especially given the number of dogs Hungs produces.
And the best-looking dogs on the forum? In your eyes perhaps. And I doubt that was an objective assessment. (no offense intended, GK!) And Hungs has no idea if they are healthy or not, since he isn't keeping track like a reputable breeder would.
People tell me all the time that my dog is beautiful, and I certainly agree. That doesn't make her breed-worthy and it doesn't say anything beneficial about her breeder - who obviously was as poor quality as Hungs since (s)he let my girl wind up in a kill shelter with no safety net. Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Guapo yet many of you continue to publicly slander this kennel because it does not meet your personal preferences. There are no crimes being committed.
Presenting those comments gets you "reported" on this forum. I am not "wasting" your time. You do not have to post in this thread. Considering you have no experience with this kennel or it's dogs, maybe you shouldn't? | It's less "preferences" and more "standards." Hungs doesn't meet the criteria of this forum for a reputable breeder. Period. As evidenced by his own words as well as actions (no slander here). If you'd like to see the criteria, a good place to start is here: Reputable breeders - for new folks
When you can come back and show evidence that Hungs now meets those criteria (which are pretty basic), then you will have an argument to make. | |
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01-22-2013, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Guapo This is the only thread I have even participated in because it is one that interests me. My questions and concerns here are valid. If anything, it is the posters in this thread that know nothing about this kennel or the dogs it produces that are "trolling".
1. this kennel has produced some of the best looking dogs on this forum.
2. they have no known health problems
yet many of you continue to publicly slander this kennel because it does not meet your personal preferences. There are no crimes being committed.
Presenting those comments gets you "reported" on this forum. I am not "wasting" your time. You do not have to post in this thread. Considering you have no experience with this kennel or it's dogs, maybe you shouldn't? | Sorry, but I happen own the best looking dog on this forum, and I can pretty much guarantee she did not come from this kennel. 
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