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Old 09-07-2010, 12:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone heard The King of Black Shadow Kennel?

There website is

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They are located in North York, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Any of you guys heard of them?

are they a reputable breeder? or just another BYB?
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Old 09-07-2010, 01:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Seems like another BYB. There are very few reputable breeders in Ontario.
If you are looking for a european looking doberman there are even less.
Euro breeders with good reputations in Ontario would be Dobereich and DiRavellese.
Diravellese has a website and Dobereich is on this forum under the username "dobereich"(i think)
There doesnt seem to be any titles on the dogs.
The fact that they refer to ear cropping as "ear clipping" is odd to me as well as the fact that they dont crop before selling and if you want your dog cropped you must pay extra.

Here is diravellese dobermans
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I don't know of them, but what I see is

- No mention of any health testing (Dobermans need to be tested for vWD, DCM, liver disease, thyroid disease and hip & elbow displasia)
- They say they have the best European Dobermans, but they don't seem to show or work their dogs, so how on earth are they the best? They say their puppies have excellent conformation, but there isn't actually any proof of this.

There are many things that make up a reputable breeder, but they seem to fail on the most basic points. They also seem VERY expensive, $2500 for a cropped puppy from non-titled parents, bascially you could get the exact same quality puppy from the newspaper or from a rescue...
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This is another BYB.. they have been mentioned on DT before. If you ask some of the other Canadian DT members they could probably point you in the proper direction of a good breeder.
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I searched through their website, not mentioning any proof of health testings left me with doubts. They usually mention their dogs' health testing and titles I believe?

Am I right?

Thank you each and one of you sincerely

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There is something wrong with this picture. I think this is a guy advertising on kijiji that I contacted a little while ago because he's advertising in the Toronto area but saying the puppies are AKC registered. If the puppies are born in Canada, they must be registered in Canada. The puppies must be registered in their country of birth before they can be registered anywhere else. I was asking him about this, and my questions kept being evaded (big surprise) and he kept asking me "what's your point?" So, now I see them mentioning that the ears are cropped by Dr. Labounty, who I think is a vet in Michigan. So, if the puppies are in the Michigan area it would make sense that they are being cropped there, but now the OP is saying that this breeder is located in North York.

Maybe the puppies were born in Michigan and then they moved here, I dunno? But why wouldn't he have just said that rather than evading my questions? Something doesn't add up.
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Someone should ask them why are they breeding. I'd love to hear the answer. Also, wonder why all the pics are of their dogs sitting down? To hide conformational faults? And wow, the price, are there actually people who will pay that price to someone who doesn't do a thing with their dogs except breed them?
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funny, not a kennel but look at the number of bitches they have! and ya, what's up with the AKC registration? I'd skip on by them.
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That's a tough one...
Unfortunately, not every ethical breeder is computer-savvy, or has a good eye for what makes an attractive and informative website.

1) There are ethical breeders who do not have and do not want websites.
2) There are ethical breeders who have websites that are unattractive, or difficult to navigate, or are not very informative, or any combination of the three.
3) There are ethical breeders who do have informative websites, or attractive websites, or easy to navigate websites, or any combination of the three.

And all the above can apply to unethical breeders.

Websites are a good place to find out who is breeding Dobes and where they're located. However, I don't advise patronizing a particular breeder based mostly on the quality of their website. Much more due diligence needs to be done to assure oneself that one is supporting an ethical breeder dedicated to improving the breed.

JMO and thanks for reading it.
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Bleh...
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Old 09-07-2010, 04:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
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What i find funny is there "best euro puppies" also come in blue and fawn LOL
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OMG....Nice yellow eyes on them..Not very impressed with their conformation.. To Me yes another BYB. stay away.
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I think you may have been given these links in your other post but here are some lists of breeders in Canada and the US who are members of the Canadian and US Doberman Breed Clubs.

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There is something wrong with this picture. I think this is a guy advertising on kijiji that I contacted a little while ago because he's advertising in the Toronto area but saying the puppies are AKC registered. If the puppies are born in Canada, they must be registered in Canada. The puppies must be registered in their country of birth before they can be registered anywhere else. I was asking him about this, and my questions kept being evaded (big surprise) and he kept asking me "what's your point?" So, now I see them mentioning that the ears are cropped by Dr. Labounty, who I think is a vet in Michigan. So, if the puppies are in the Michigan area it would make sense that they are being cropped there, but now the OP is saying that this breeder is located in North York.

Maybe the puppies were born in Michigan and then they moved here, I dunno? But why wouldn't he have just said that rather than evading my questions? Something doesn't add up.
Dr. La Bounty is an ear cropping vet in Los Angeles. I guess it's possible there's another vet with the same name who's also known for ear cropping....
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Ahhh, maybe that's why the name sounded familiar. Was thinking I had heard it from Lori in MI. Nevertheless, there's something weird about the situation that the guy really didn't want to address with me. I don't know why puppies born in the US are being marketed in Toronto with AKC registration.
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Ahhh, maybe that's why the name sounded familiar. Was thinking I had heard it from Lori in MI. Nevertheless, there's something weird about the situation that the guy really didn't want to address with me. I don't know why puppies born in the US are being marketed in Toronto with AKC registration.
In the "kontact" section on the website it lists an american number. So either this guy is buying the pups and reselling them locally in Toronto (perhaps without the "breeders" knowledge) or else he is acting as a broker and the "breeders" are aware of it.
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The area code is 818 i believe so thats in Cali, very bright website, i got a litlle dizzy just browsing for a couple of minutes, lol. I would stay away most def.
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The area code is 818 i believe so thats in Cali,
Yep, I believe 818 covers the San Fernando Valley. So that would make sense that Dr. La Bounty in downtown LA cropped the pups.
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So on the site it says 2000 for uncropped, 2500 for cropped, but on the kijiji listing it says, 3000, maybe 500 for shipping? But it says location North York lol, I think they are listing their dogs in every major city in N america hoping someone will bite and they will ship their dogs to them? But they won't crop buyers have to go to their vet to do it???? Hmmmmmmm how am I going to do that since I am in Toronto?????????? what a joke!!!
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I think they are listing their dogs in every major city in N america hoping someone will bite and they will ship their dogs to them?!
that's sure what it looks like.
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And...I think this is a travisty stealing another's similiar kennel name to get creditability!
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I didn't even look at the web site. You can tell by the melodramatic name alone that they are a backyard breeder.
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I didn't even look at the web site. You can tell by the melodramatic name alone that they are a backyard breeder.
Ain't that the truth.

I've yet to see one melodramatic name link up to an actual decent breeder.

And why do they always name the individual dogs something to do with royalty? Princess Peabody la Rou or Dutchess (always with the "t") Delia or King Rusty or Duke the Nuke.

Or it's "macho" names designed, I suppose, to impress and deter potential thieves, muggers, and Amway salespersons: Devil Demon Damien von Warlock or Omen Biter Bullet von DrippyBlood
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