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Has anyone heard The King of Black Shadow Kennel?

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There website is

PUPPIES_WEB » Page 1 of 18

They are located in North York, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Any of you guys heard of them?

are they a reputable breeder? or just another BYB?
 
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Seems like another BYB. There are very few reputable breeders in Ontario.
If you are looking for a european looking doberman there are even less.
Euro breeders with good reputations in Ontario would be Dobereich and DiRavellese.
Diravellese has a website and Dobereich is on this forum under the username "dobereich"(i think)
There doesnt seem to be any titles on the dogs.
The fact that they refer to ear cropping as "ear clipping" is odd to me as well as the fact that they dont crop before selling and if you want your dog cropped you must pay extra.

Here is diravellese dobermans
Dobermann Di Ravallese -- Home Page
 
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I don't know of them, but what I see is

- No mention of any health testing (Dobermans need to be tested for vWD, DCM, liver disease, thyroid disease and hip & elbow displasia)
- They say they have the best European Dobermans, but they don't seem to show or work their dogs, so how on earth are they the best? They say their puppies have excellent conformation, but there isn't actually any proof of this.

There are many things that make up a reputable breeder, but they seem to fail on the most basic points. They also seem VERY expensive, $2500 for a cropped puppy from non-titled parents, bascially you could get the exact same quality puppy from the newspaper or from a rescue...
 
#4 ·
This is another BYB.. they have been mentioned on DT before. If you ask some of the other Canadian DT members they could probably point you in the proper direction of a good breeder.
 
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#5 ·
Thank you guys

I searched through their website, not mentioning any proof of health testings left me with doubts. They usually mention their dogs' health testing and titles I believe?

Am I right?

Thank you each and one of you sincerely

Khael
 
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They usually mention their dogs' health testing and titles I believe?
That's a tough one...
Unfortunately, not every ethical breeder is computer-savvy, or has a good eye for what makes an attractive and informative website.

1) There are ethical breeders who do not have and do not want websites.
2) There are ethical breeders who have websites that are unattractive, or difficult to navigate, or are not very informative, or any combination of the three.
3) There are ethical breeders who do have informative websites, or attractive websites, or easy to navigate websites, or any combination of the three.

And all the above can apply to unethical breeders.

Websites are a good place to find out who is breeding Dobes and where they're located. However, I don't advise patronizing a particular breeder based mostly on the quality of their website. Much more due diligence needs to be done to assure oneself that one is supporting an ethical breeder dedicated to improving the breed.

JMO and thanks for reading it.:wavey:
 
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There is something wrong with this picture. I think this is a guy advertising on kijiji that I contacted a little while ago because he's advertising in the Toronto area but saying the puppies are AKC registered. If the puppies are born in Canada, they must be registered in Canada. The puppies must be registered in their country of birth before they can be registered anywhere else. I was asking him about this, and my questions kept being evaded (big surprise) and he kept asking me "what's your point?" So, now I see them mentioning that the ears are cropped by Dr. Labounty, who I think is a vet in Michigan. So, if the puppies are in the Michigan area it would make sense that they are being cropped there, but now the OP is saying that this breeder is located in North York.

Maybe the puppies were born in Michigan and then they moved here, I dunno? But why wouldn't he have just said that rather than evading my questions? Something doesn't add up.
 
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Someone should ask them why are they breeding. I'd love to hear the answer. Also, wonder why all the pics are of their dogs sitting down? To hide conformational faults? And wow, the price, are there actually people who will pay that price to someone who doesn't do a thing with their dogs except breed them?
 
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In the "kontact" section on the website it lists an american number. So either this guy is buying the pups and reselling them locally in Toronto (perhaps without the "breeders" knowledge) or else he is acting as a broker and the "breeders" are aware of it.
 
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Our puppies are TOP quality pups with incredible bones, heads and excellent conformation, and produce ultimate working & show prospects
All puppies must be spayed or neutered. There are no exceptions to this. Our pups will be sold as family pets and will not be bred
But if you were to buy a "top show dog" from them, would you not want it intact???

You must provide proof from the Vet that your pup was spade or neutered
Dont forget to bring your shovel!!
 
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So on the site it says 2000 for uncropped, 2500 for cropped, but on the kijiji listing it says, 3000, maybe 500 for shipping? But it says location North York lol, I think they are listing their dogs in every major city in N america hoping someone will bite and they will ship their dogs to them? But they won't crop buyers have to go to their vet to do it???? Hmmmmmmm how am I going to do that since I am in Toronto?????????? what a joke!!!
 
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Ain't that the truth.

I've yet to see one melodramatic name link up to an actual decent breeder.

And why do they always name the individual dogs something to do with royalty? Princess Peabody la Rou or Dutchess (always with the "t") Delia or King Rusty or Duke the Nuke.

Or it's "macho" names designed, I suppose, to impress and deter potential thieves, muggers, and Amway salespersons: Devil Demon Damien von Warlock or Omen Biter Bullet von DrippyBlood
 
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The breeder in question has been breeding off of quality lines and assumes the credit for breedings he or she has nothing to do with. Their dogs are nice pet quality and are probably well temperamented. I doubt that they are breeding quality unless the temperaments and character are exceptional. Again the prices I see here in N. America are outrageous, these puppies should be priced at 900.00 to 1600.00 with tails and ears done and the dews are a matter for the dogs use. These types of people will always be here because the public demands it.
 
#27 ·
BYBs, greeders and pretty much all people who shouldn't be nosing around breeding- will always exist because not only do they feel the need to exploit innocent puppies for their own financial gain, but also because of the idiots out there who have no business owning a doberman. They won't/can't pay to get a health tested, sturdy bred puppy from a reliable breeder who is working to better the breed. It's like trying to rid youself of diabetes but still eat extremely unhealthy.

It's all a disease to the Dobe world. And until they get their heads out of their butts, all we can do is rescue and promote responsible buying.


----lol rant over
 
#28 ·
Well I'm glad the op did bring it up. The veteran forum users here, please be reminded that there are new users (myself) and they need advice, isn't it good that they do post subjects here, all be it dumb sometimes, maybe it's not dumb to them. So please I ask show some patience, and let everyone learn from each other, I for one am learning a lot, reading old post and such. Remember, each one teach one, and the day you say you know everything, it'll be the day you stop growing as a person........Cheers everyone, and have a great day.
 
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This breeder is in Tujunga California NOT Canada - in my opinion Erik Topchian the guy running it is just trying to make a few bucks off the puppies. When I first started researching breeders a year ago I was so naive that I was convinced that he had the "best" european dobermans in the state of California. After much reading I figured out that he he just wants to pump out puppies - NO health testing is done to his bitch and sire pre-breeding. None of his dogs hold any titles in the show ring or any sport either. Thank goodness for this forum - I have gained so much from it I hope more people join and see how valuable this site is.
 
#32 ·
I have to say I am quite shocked at some of the postings I have seen on this forum.
I thought the whole point was to help people find a good Doberman and preserve the well being of this amazing breed. I have found this site to be a place for people to make unfair false claims. I own a King of Black Shadow Doberman Puppy so I should know about these puppies and the health testing of the mother and father ( of my puppy) as well as the Pedgiree information. 1st of of all I saw all the health testing paper work and verified it as well. I also saw the Pedigree information. All of these Doberman's live a great life and are taking care of extremly well. This breeder ( Tunjuna CA) came very highly recommeded to me by many, MANY, MANY people. I think it is unfair to make comments based upon people's pure opinions as they have no clue. I knew what I wanted and I got exactly what I wanted. There are different types of Doberman's as we all know they don't all look a like, just like people.

A lot of Breeders think their dogs are the best so they slam other people.... Don't listen to these people as if you interested in any of these puppies ( or from any breeder) call and ask questions, make an appt to visit them... Make your judgement.....This breeder
( King of Black Shadow Dobermans) does'nt deserve to be slammed in a bad way...
He takes pride in his dogs and he is not a greeder...... He does'nt breed the same dog over and over again so get your facts straight..... I think you will be hearing more AND MORE great things about THIS line over time..... It's sad as if I would have went on this site first before going to the King of Doberman's I might have thought twice about them and I would have done myself the greatest diservice. I would have missed out big time.. These Doberman's are breathtaking and if you have any interest at all check them out first hand and then decide for yourself.... Come on this forum and ask... "Who owns a King of Black Shadow Doberman" and see what they say but ask for proof because there are a lot of dishonest people on here.... Ask for references of past clients..... Ask these people who are slamming King Of Doberman's what's wrong with these dogs? Have you seen these dogs in person? How do you know there is no health testing or pedigrees? Where's your proof????????? What makes your dogs so much better? Just because there dogs are different does'nt make them better.... THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!
 
#34 ·
Either you are the breeder or he is on the forum so why doesn't he just come on and answer questions and defend his practices himself. Heck, he could even post the pedigrees and the health certs and shut all of us up! That would be the best thing to do.
And PLEASE Mr, Whomeveryouare, don't keep calling me. I have no interest in speaking with you and neither does my husband. Patrick has listened to enough of your ranting.
In your first phone call you stated "we do hips at a year and a half". Guess what? OFA won't certify hips until the dog is 2 years old and maybe that is why they are not listed in the OFA database. Maybe the fact that you do not seem to even know when the dog can be OFA'd causes folks to question your health testing practices. I know you said your website is only meant to be a "fun" website to visit, but since all of the info on it is about your dogs and selling your pups, complete info might be a good thing. In any case, just post the damn health certs and there you go. That's all it takes.

For all of you greeders who keep calling me - first get your facts straight, change your practices or be open to doing so and then we can talk. :) And please stop telling me I am jealous of your dogs and afraid of the competition. What none of you seem to get is that I just don't breed enough to ever be your competition. Nor would I ever want to.
 
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I know this breeder, he is located in the San Fernando Valley (Los Angeles area) his knowledge of Dobermans is nill. His paperwork is suspect and I have questions about who are actually the sires of his puppies. He has a litter apx every 2 -3 months. He has flooded the Los Angeles area with pet quality pups at a high price. His pricing practices do not concern me, whatever he charges for a puppy is his business, unfortunately here in L.A. people think that if the price is low the service or product is no good

But I know people in his inner circle and what I hear on how they breed and do their paperwork makes me cringe. All of this being said, I think forums like this are good to give people an idea of what they should look for in a breeder and it shouldn't be a place to past judgement or make unfounded accusations. Does King of Black Shadow have nice dogs for pet homes? IMO yes Does he over charge? IMO yes Is he good for the betterment of the Doberman breed? IMO No! :confused:
 
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