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Old 09-09-2010, 01:00 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The breeder in question has been breeding off of quality lines and assumes the credit for breedings he or she has nothing to do with. Their dogs are nice pet quality and are probably well temperamented. I doubt that they are breeding quality unless the temperaments and character are exceptional. Again the prices I see here in N. America are outrageous, these puppies should be priced at 900.00 to 1600.00 with tails and ears done and the dews are a matter for the dogs use. These types of people will always be here because the public demands it.
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Old 09-09-2010, 01:16 PM   #27 (permalink)
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BYBs, greeders and pretty much all people who shouldn't be nosing around breeding- will always exist because not only do they feel the need to exploit innocent puppies for their own financial gain, but also because of the idiots out there who have no business owning a doberman. They won't/can't pay to get a health tested, sturdy bred puppy from a reliable breeder who is working to better the breed. It's like trying to rid youself of diabetes but still eat extremely unhealthy.

It's all a disease to the Dobe world. And until they get their heads out of their butts, all we can do is rescue and promote responsible buying.


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Well I'm glad the op did bring it up. The veteran forum users here, please be reminded that there are new users (myself) and they need advice, isn't it good that they do post subjects here, all be it dumb sometimes, maybe it's not dumb to them. So please I ask show some patience, and let everyone learn from each other, I for one am learning a lot, reading old post and such. Remember, each one teach one, and the day you say you know everything, it'll be the day you stop growing as a person........Cheers everyone, and have a great day.
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This breeder is in Tujunga California NOT Canada - in my opinion Erik Topchian the guy running it is just trying to make a few bucks off the puppies. When I first started researching breeders a year ago I was so naive that I was convinced that he had the "best" european dobermans in the state of California. After much reading I figured out that he he just wants to pump out puppies - NO health testing is done to his bitch and sire pre-breeding. None of his dogs hold any titles in the show ring or any sport either. Thank goodness for this forum - I have gained so much from it I hope more people join and see how valuable this site is.
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I have to say I am quite shocked at some of the postings I have seen on this forum.
I thought the whole point was to help people find a good Doberman and preserve the well being of this amazing breed. I have found this site to be a place for people to make unfair false claims. I own a King of Black Shadow Doberman Puppy so I should know about these puppies and the health testing of the mother and father ( of my puppy) as well as the Pedgiree information. 1st of of all I saw all the health testing paper work and verified it as well. I also saw the Pedigree information. All of these Doberman's live a great life and are taking care of extremly well. This breeder ( Tunjuna CA) came very highly recommeded to me by many, MANY, MANY people. I think it is unfair to make comments based upon people's pure opinions as they have no clue. I knew what I wanted and I got exactly what I wanted. There are different types of Doberman's as we all know they don't all look a like, just like people.

A lot of Breeders think their dogs are the best so they slam other people.... Don't listen to these people as if you interested in any of these puppies ( or from any breeder) call and ask questions, make an appt to visit them... Make your judgement.....This breeder
( King of Black Shadow Dobermans) does'nt deserve to be slammed in a bad way...
He takes pride in his dogs and he is not a greeder...... He does'nt breed the same dog over and over again so get your facts straight..... I think you will be hearing more AND MORE great things about THIS line over time..... It's sad as if I would have went on this site first before going to the King of Doberman's I might have thought twice about them and I would have done myself the greatest diservice. I would have missed out big time.. These Doberman's are breathtaking and if you have any interest at all check them out first hand and then decide for yourself.... Come on this forum and ask... "Who owns a King of Black Shadow Doberman" and see what they say but ask for proof because there are a lot of dishonest people on here.... Ask for references of past clients..... Ask these people who are slamming King Of Doberman's what's wrong with these dogs? Have you seen these dogs in person? How do you know there is no health testing or pedigrees? Where's your proof????????? What makes your dogs so much better? Just because there dogs are different does'nt make them better.... THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!
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I have to say I am quite shocked at some of the postings I have seen on this forum.
I thought the whole point was to help people find a good Doberman and preserve the well being of this amazing breed. I have found this site to be a place for people to make unfair false claims. I own a King of Black Shadow Doberman Puppy so I should know about these puppies and the health testing of the mother and father ( of my puppy) as well as the Pedgiree information. 1st of of all I saw all the health testing paper work and verified it as well. I also saw the Pedigree information. All of these Doberman's live a great life and are taking care of extremly well. This breeder ( Tunjuna CA) came very highly recommeded to me by many, MANY, MANY people. I think it is unfair to make comments based upon people's pure opinions as they have no clue. I knew what I wanted and I got exactly what I wanted. There are different types of Doberman's as we all know they don't all look a like, just like people.

A lot of Breeders think their dogs are the best so they slam other people.... Don't listen to these people as if you interested in any of these puppies ( or from any breeder) call and ask questions, make an appt to visit them... Make your judgement.....This breeder
( King of Black Shadow Dobermans) does'nt deserve to be slammed in a bad way...
He takes pride in his dogs and he is not a greeder...... He does'nt breed the same dog over and over again so get your facts straight..... I think you will be hearing more AND MORE great things about THIS line over time..... It's sad as if I would have went on this site first before going to the King of Doberman's I might have thought twice about them and I would have done myself the greatest diservice. I would have missed out big time.. These Doberman's are breathtaking and if you have any interest at all check them out first hand and then decide for yourself.... Come on this forum and ask... "Who owns a King of Black Shadow Doberman" and see what they say but ask for proof because there are a lot of dishonest people on here.... Ask for references of past clients..... Ask these people who are slamming King Of Doberman's what's wrong with these dogs? Have you seen these dogs in person? How do you know there is no health testing or pedigrees? Where's your proof????????? What makes your dogs so much better? Just because there dogs are different does'nt make them better.... THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!
Either you are the breeder or he is on the forum so why doesn't he just come on and answer questions and defend his practices himself. Heck, he could even post the pedigrees and the health certs and shut all of us up! That would be the best thing to do.
And PLEASE Mr, Whomeveryouare, don't keep calling me. I have no interest in speaking with you and neither does my husband. Patrick has listened to enough of your ranting.
In your first phone call you stated "we do hips at a year and a half". Guess what? OFA won't certify hips until the dog is 2 years old and maybe that is why they are not listed in the OFA database. Maybe the fact that you do not seem to even know when the dog can be OFA'd causes folks to question your health testing practices. I know you said your website is only meant to be a "fun" website to visit, but since all of the info on it is about your dogs and selling your pups, complete info might be a good thing. In any case, just post the damn health certs and there you go. That's all it takes.

For all of you greeders who keep calling me - first get your facts straight, change your practices or be open to doing so and then we can talk. And please stop telling me I am jealous of your dogs and afraid of the competition. What none of you seem to get is that I just don't breed enough to ever be your competition. Nor would I ever want to.
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I have to say I am quite shocked at some of the postings I have seen on this forum.
I thought the whole point was to help people find a good Doberman and preserve the well being of this amazing breed. I have found this site to be a place for people to make unfair false claims. I own a King of Black Shadow Doberman Puppy so I should know about these puppies and the health testing of the mother and father ( of my puppy) as well as the Pedgiree information. 1st of of all I saw all the health testing paper work and verified it as well. I also saw the Pedigree information. All of these Doberman's live a great life and are taking care of extremly well. This breeder ( Tunjuna CA) came very highly recommeded to me by many, MANY, MANY people. I think it is unfair to make comments based upon people's pure opinions as they have no clue. I knew what I wanted and I got exactly what I wanted. There are different types of Doberman's as we all know they don't all look a like, just like people.

A lot of Breeders think their dogs are the best so they slam other people.... Don't listen to these people as if you interested in any of these puppies ( or from any breeder) call and ask questions, make an appt to visit them... Make your judgement.....This breeder
( King of Black Shadow Dobermans) does'nt deserve to be slammed in a bad way...
He takes pride in his dogs and he is not a greeder...... He does'nt breed the same dog over and over again so get your facts straight..... I think you will be hearing more AND MORE great things about THIS line over time..... It's sad as if I would have went on this site first before going to the King of Doberman's I might have thought twice about them and I would have done myself the greatest diservice. I would have missed out big time.. These Doberman's are breathtaking and if you have any interest at all check them out first hand and then decide for yourself.... Come on this forum and ask... "Who owns a King of Black Shadow Doberman" and see what they say but ask for proof because there are a lot of dishonest people on here.... Ask for references of past clients..... Ask these people who are slamming King Of Doberman's what's wrong with these dogs? Have you seen these dogs in person? How do you know there is no health testing or pedigrees? Where's your proof????????? What makes your dogs so much better? Just because there dogs are different does'nt make them better.... THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!
If our claims are so false and unfair, then prove us wrong. What titles does his dogs have to show they are worth breeding? (either working or conformation) Where are his pedigrees so people can see the background of where his dogs come from, and to check his line's longevity? What health testing does he do? Hips, thyroid, VWD, holtering for DCM, not just basic heath checks from a vet. Can we find his dogs on the OFA database? "Taking great care of his dogs" is something every dog owner should do, it says nothing about him as a breeder.

We believe in responsible breeding here, and responsible breeders do the things I mentioned above. If they don't, most people here won't recommend them to people looking for good breeders.
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I know this breeder, he is located in the San Fernando Valley (Los Angeles area) his knowledge of Dobermans is nill. His paperwork is suspect and I have questions about who are actually the sires of his puppies. He has a litter apx every 2 -3 months. He has flooded the Los Angeles area with pet quality pups at a high price. His pricing practices do not concern me, whatever he charges for a puppy is his business, unfortunately here in L.A. people think that if the price is low the service or product is no good

But I know people in his inner circle and what I hear on how they breed and do their paperwork makes me cringe. All of this being said, I think forums like this are good to give people an idea of what they should look for in a breeder and it shouldn't be a place to past judgement or make unfounded accusations. Does King of Black Shadow have nice dogs for pet homes? IMO yes Does he over charge? IMO yes Is he good for the betterment of the Doberman breed? IMO No!
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I own a doberman from this man king of black shadow dobermans. His dogs are hands down thee most beautiful of all breeders. I have also done my homework. His dogs are tall and big and majestic and extremely intelligent. When you get your dobie you will get paperwork on your puppies health status and the parents. My puppies grand father is maximus altobell o. Anyway. His dogs are of the best European bloodlines. They are estate dobermans euro style. And o so smart. Little training needed. He sells to movie stars a lot. Everywhere I take my boy people are amazed of his beauty.and the way he carries himself. Like no other!! These dogs are exactly what people dream about! And well worth the money. If you want the real dream get one of these pups. And don't listen to the jealous looser on here.
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So what? A lot of Dobies are beautiful, even from BYB's. However, do not simply let appearance fool you. You should be bragging about all the health testing and titles that his dogs should have, not how shiny their coats are..

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I own a doberman from this man king of black shadow dobermans. His dogs are hands down thee most beautiful of all breeders. I have also done my homework. His dogs are tall and big and majestic and extremely intelligent. When you get your dobie you will get paperwork on your puppies health status and the parents. My puppies grand father is maximus altobell o. Anyway. His dogs are of the best European bloodlines. They are estate dobermans euro style. And o so smart. Little training needed. He sells to movie stars a lot. Everywhere I take my boy people are amazed of his beauty.and the way he carries himself. Like no other!! These dogs are exactly what people dream about! And well worth the money. If you want the real dream get one of these pups. And don't listen to the jealous looser on here.
Yeah, I heard Lindsey Lohan tried to shove one of those Estate Euro Dobermans in her purse on the way out, just the other day.
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RFR, blahahaahahahahhahaahahhaa. Loved your post.
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Just for fun I get Puppyfind.com doberman links when new pups are listed. I just like to see what is out there. Most of them BYBs. Some scams (Well I guess most of them are in fact scams!).

I saw them specifically on one link- not impressed and a definite BYB.

I can't believe how many people are actually out there doing absolutely no justice to the breed ad selling to just anyone out there with enough in their wallet... ugh!
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So, for serious, the full moon isn't until December 28.

What is going on?
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So, for serious, the full moon isn't until December 28.

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Maybe this is the precursor to the apocalypse... :O

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I own a doberman from this man king of black shadow dobermans. His dogs are hands down thee most beautiful of all breeders. I have also done my homework. His dogs are tall and big and majestic and extremely intelligent. When you get your dobie you will get paperwork on your puppies health status and the parents. My puppies grand father is maximus altobell o. Anyway. His dogs are of the best European bloodlines. They are estate dobermans euro style. And o so smart. Little training needed. He sells to movie stars a lot. Everywhere I take my boy people are amazed of his beauty.and the way he carries himself. Like no other!! These dogs are exactly what people dream about! And well worth the money. If you want the real dream get one of these pups. And don't listen to the jealous looser on here.
hi there, Levon. that is you, isn't it? stop trying to pretend you're a customer.
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I own a doberman from this man king of black shadow dobermans. His dogs are hands down thee most beautiful of all breeders. I have also done my homework. His dogs are tall and big and majestic and extremely intelligent. When you get your dobie you will get paperwork on your puppies health status and the parents. My puppies grand father is maximus altobell o. Anyway. His dogs are of the best European bloodlines. They are estate dobermans euro style. And o so smart. Little training needed. He sells to movie stars a lot. Everywhere I take my boy people are amazed of his beauty.and the way he carries himself. Like no other!! These dogs are exactly what people dream about! And well worth the money. If you want the real dream get one of these pups. And don't listen to the jealous looser on here.
Sorry but pretty much everything you posted would tell me to stay away.

Tall, big, majestic, altobello, best, estate dobermans, euro style, o so smart, little training needed, sells to movie stars, people are amazed with his beauty, what people dream about...

Uh, you sound like a car salesman. Pretty much none of those are what I would look for in what a breeder should be breeding for sorry.

Health, longevity, temperament, conformation, those are words I look for.

Your dogs pretty coat, and people noticing don't impress me.
I used to get comments All the time for my Doberman from the pound.
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Considering the mentality and complete out of touch mindset of the hollywood loonies, bragging about them buying your dogs...well....just might want to rethink that.

Kind of like Bernie Madoff appearing in an infomercial for an investment firm.
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Yeah, I get the same comments on my mutt that I rescued from a cemetery.
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