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Old 06-08-2010, 11:55 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello everyone, I am looking into getting a doberman and would like some feed back on a few breeders that I have reviewed. The first is Vom Amaris k9, Second is Thunderstorm dobermans, and the third is Sho-Me kennels which I have heard some good things about Sho-Me Kennels. Appreciate your feedback.
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Hi and welcome to DT! This website is a really great source for Doberman lovers and filled with many passionate and knowledgeable people who love this breed and what the best for it. As stated in the Manifesto, this forum is for the betterment of the breed, so we have a very strong view against those who are not bettering the Doberman breed, but are instead just adding to the overpopulation problem.

I am not from the USA, so I can't give you any personal experience with any of the breeders you listed, but I can have a quick look over their websites and give you some pointers about why they are or aren't reputable breeders.

The search function on this forum can be a little frustrating to use at first, but if you use the "advanced search" function it becomes a little easier. I pulled up these threads on Thunderstorm Dobermans for you

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Please do not Purchase a puppy from "Thunderstorm Dobermans of Indiana"
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I had a look at the website for Vom Amaris k9 and was immediately put off by the fact their dogs are kenneled and not kept in a house. This is something that I have issues with and I would not support this breeder with my money.

Also had a quick look at Sho-Me kennels website, and from what I can see they do show their dogs and their dogs have CH titles which is good. I didn't read far enough to see, but you will want to know what health testing their dogs have (a vet check up is not health testing, you will want to know about CERF, OFA hips and elbows, Vetgen VWD status, Cardio holter/echo, liver panels and I would like to know about the longevity of their dogs and what they died of), if they have any working titles and a few other things such as how many litters they are breeding, what sort of contracts are their puppies being sold on and a collection of other things for a start
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If this is Thunderstorm Dobermans in Indiana, stay away. You can do much better for less money. Check the DPCA breeders directory and the Recommended Breeders list here.

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http://www.dobermantalk.com/search.php?searchid=1299704 Here is a link on Amaris -Also the K9 site shows dogs well over standard. Iam pretty sure Amaris does no health testing. This entire kennel is based on Amaris dogs. I would avoid both of these Thurnderstorm and Amaris for sure.
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Sho-me has a litter right now that should be very nice. Their dogs can not even be compared to Amaris and Thunderstorm. Stay away from those two.
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Avoid Vom Amaris and Thunderstorm. Bad, bad news. I've heard of many horrible health problems with Vom Amaris dogs and what I know of their breeding practices is awful.

Are you in Missouri? I live in Springfield and contacted various kennel clubs for information on breeders in the state. Kennel clubs typically know who's a good breeder (because they're often involved in the kennel club events) and who to avoid.
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Be carefull with Aramis they bred Albino Dobermans for years!!! So although they may not be breeding them anymore there will be Z factor dogs in the pedigree.
They are not respected breeders and have only done damage to the breed. They do no titling or testing on their dogs.
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Thank you to everyone for the responses. Does Any body know any other reputable breeders? I am not looking for a show prospect, more of a family pet and a dog that my wife would feel safe when I am gone.
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I know of a litter that is 3 weeks old in Mississippi- Very nice breeding. Do a web search for Dobewan Doberman's for contact info.
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I do live in Missouri so if I could find a reputable breeder here that would be great, bnut I am not opposed to doing some driving either out of state.
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I thought I'd weigh in on Amaris. Ember is an Amaris Doberman -- purchased when the name/kennel was owned by Gabriella DiRossi. She's EXTREMELY small based on breed standard and has orthopedic issues at a relatively young age.

I love her to death, but would steer anyone away from this kennel. FWIW, I give my dogs stellar homes and Gabriella threatened to take Ember back because I refused to purchase a product she endorsed -- and also got paid from! That pissed me off to no end, so guess what? After having my Vet check the product out, I found an alternate supplier. My dogs are on it (it's a multi-vitamin), but she's not seeing a dime from it.

This kennel is all about making a buck.
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I thought I'd weigh in on Amaris. Ember is an Amaris Doberman -- purchased when the name/kennel was owned by Gabriella DiRossi. She's EXTREMELY small based on breed standard and has orthopedic issues at a relatively young age.

I love her to death, but would steer anyone away from this kennel. FWIW, I give my dogs stellar homes and Gabriella threatened to take Ember back because I refused to purchase a product she endorsed -- and also got paid from! That pissed me off to no end, so guess what? After having my Vet check the product out, I found an alternate supplier. My dogs are on it (it's a multi-vitamin), but she's not seeing a dime from it.

This kennel is all about making a buck.
Whoa now, this post may be really old or something but this does not properly reflect the Von Amaris dobes I work with. Its also not owned by the person you claim it is/was. I've been around the people and dogs involved in this particular business for a few years now and having worked with animals in the past am really surprised by the sheer amount of time and attention to detail that goes into raising these dogs. I would seriously consider doing some of you'r own research before counting these dobes out as I'm positive you will be surprised.
Also the business practiced by the people of Von Amaris K9 is incredible. They are incredibly easy to work with and understanding to boot.
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I just took a look at the website. No cardio testing mentioned (actually, no testing other than vWD that I could see), and saying that one of the pups currently for sale is "superior" sized. I wouldn't bother looking past those two things right there.
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Whoa now, this post may be really old or something but this does not properly reflect the Von Amaris dobes I work with. Its also not owned by the person you claim it is/was. I've been around the people and dogs involved in this particular business for a few years now and having worked with animals in the past am really surprised by the sheer amount of time and attention to detail that goes into raising these dogs. I would seriously consider doing some of you'r own research before counting these dobes out as I'm positive you will be surprised.
Also the business practiced by the people of Von Amaris K9 is incredible. They are incredibly easy to work with and understanding to boot.
The fact that they provide your living and sign your paycheck (if you're not actually the breeder posting "incognito") might just make your statements a bit suspect and biased, huh?

It is VERY easy for anyone dog-knowledgeable to view the info and the animals posted on their website, and come to the conclusion this is not a breeder anyone ethical would choose to support.
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I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with those dogs. I'm obviously not some kinda of dog scientist. I have no idea how you would go about cardio testing an animal or what a vWD even is. What I do know with my admittedly limited knowledge of animals is that if I ever decided I wanted a dog of my own there would be no reason not to consider a Von Amaris Dobe. That being said if I had a Von Amaris Dobe it would be used solely as a pet. The last time I saw any kinda cardio machine a giant Russian was running on it to train to fight against Rocky :p I hope your intentions are not similar!

And guys who's picture is of a unicorn dragging his ass against the ground to create a rainbow, what is wrong with the way the dogs are being raised and such? The dogs are raised in better conditions than some of my buddys in college! :p
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I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with those dogs. I'm obviously not some kinda of dog scientist. I have no idea how you would go about cardio testing an animal or what a vWD even is. What I do know with my admittedly limited knowledge of animals is that if I ever decided I wanted a dog of my own there would be no reason not to consider a Von Amaris Dobe. That being said if I had a Von Amaris Dobe it would be used solely as a pet. The last time I saw any kinda cardio machine a giant Russian was running on it to train to fight against Rocky :p I hope your intentions are not similar!

And guys who's picture is of a unicorn dragging his ass against the ground to create a rainbow, what is wrong with the way the dogs are being raised and such? The dogs are raised in better conditions than some of my buddys in college! :p
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I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with those dogs. I'm obviously not some kinda of dog scientist. I have no idea how you would go about cardio testing an animal or what a vWD even is. What I do know with my admittedly limited knowledge of animals is that if I ever decided I wanted a dog of my own there would be no reason not to consider a Von Amaris Dobe. That being said if I had a Von Amaris Dobe it would be used solely as a pet. The last time I saw any kinda cardio machine a giant Russian was running on it to train to fight against Rocky :p I hope your intentions are not similar!

And guys who's picture is of a unicorn dragging his ass against the ground to create a rainbow, what is wrong with the way the dogs are being raised and such? The dogs are raised in better conditions than some of my buddys in college! :p
My dog is also "used solely as a pet." His parents are fully health tested and this includes (but is not limited to, because I cannot remember anything) vWD, Cardio, Thyroid, and hips.

If I'm paying good money for a dog I want it to come from somebody who puts in every effort to produce healthy and long-lived puppies. I want that because I don't want my time with one of my best friends to be cut short by something that could have been prevented. I also want that because I want to support somebody who is putting so much effort in to create healthy dogs and, in theory, a healthier breed.
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I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with those dogs. I'm obviously not some kinda of dog scientist. I have no idea how you would go about cardio testing an animal or what a vWD even is. What I do know with my admittedly limited knowledge of animals is that if I ever decided I wanted a dog of my own there would be no reason not to consider a Von Amaris Dobe. That being said if I had a Von Amaris Dobe it would be used solely as a pet. The last time I saw any kinda cardio machine a giant Russian was running on it to train to fight against Rocky :p I hope your intentions are not similar!

And guys who's picture is of a unicorn dragging his ass against the ground to create a rainbow, what is wrong with the way the dogs are being raised and such? The dogs are raised in better conditions than some of my buddys in college! :p
Apparently neither Science nor English are your forte'.

And, for someone who "works for" a Doberman breeding operation, it's stunningly ridiculous that you aren't even aware of how cardio testing is conducted in our breed.

FYI, "who's" is a contraction, meaning "who is."

"Whose" is the possessive you were looking for, there. Maybe my rainbow blinded you and you just missed the correct keys on the keyboard.
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If you don't know anything about dogs, Dobermans especially, why would anybody need your input?
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I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with those dogs. I'm obviously not some kinda of dog scientist. I have no idea how you would go about cardio testing an animal or what a vWD even is. What I do know with my admittedly limited knowledge of animals is that if I ever decided I wanted a dog of my own there would be no reason not to consider a Von Amaris Dobe. That being said if I had a Von Amaris Dobe it would be used solely as a pet. The last time I saw any kinda cardio machine a giant Russian was running on it to train to fight against Rocky :p I hope your intentions are not similar!

And guys who's picture is of a unicorn dragging his ass against the ground to create a rainbow, what is wrong with the way the dogs are being raised and such? The dogs are raised in better conditions than some of my buddys in college! :p
There is plenty wrong with their dogs, go read the AKC breed standard on the Doberman, nowhere i there does it say anything about 125 or 130 lb dogs, "superior size" or "big boned". Based on this alone I would not get a dog from this so called breeder. Anyone that breeds dobermans to this size is asking for all kinds of joint and bone problems, not to mention heart and other organ problems related to obesity or oversized dogs. Not to mention as everyone else has said they do no testing on their dogs.
I find it incredibly irresponsible for you to even be defending them when you know nothing of the basic health issues these animals have or the testing procedures involved.
Since your knowledge is so limited I suggest you do ALOT of research and learn all the things that are wrong with this kennel. Then see if you still wish to defend them.
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125 pound doberman?? WHAT??

Bruno is a mix and is absolutely ENORMOUS at 110 pounds. People think he has Great Dane in him. (He might.) That's either the biggest "doberman" ever, or a gross exaggeration - either way, not a breeder I would ever consider buying from.
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My first dog was from Amaris, back when Brandi owned the kennel (in California, before the move to MO). While I certainly loved my boy with all I had, he was ill from day one. All Amaris wanted to do was sell me products they endorsed and another puppy. My boy died at age 5 from DCM and when I asked Amaris what they had to say, they disappeared off the radar. It's a shameful place.
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I have no idea how you would go about cardio testing an animal or what a vWD even is. What I do know with my admittedly limited knowledge of animals is that if I ever decided I wanted a dog of my own there would be no reason not to consider a Von Amaris Dobe.
If you're interested in a Doberman, you need to know about DCM (cardio) and vWD. They are two of the major issues in Dobermans. Also look up Wobblers. And you might want to have a look at hip displasia too, and why it's important to test the parents' hips and elbows. By the way, you also find cancer in this breed, and thyroid problems too.

Unless you want to be spending thousands of dollars in vet bills or putting your dog down at 5 years old, you need to buy your dog from a breeder who does all the necessary health testing.

A failure to health test any of the dogs is the number 1 reason to walk away from a Doberman breeder.

Dobermans are not the healthiest of breeds. You're defending this breeder who doesn't do health testing, and you don't know what DCM or vWD is? That's not good, and it shows you haven't done your research. There's nothing like a Doberman, but it's best to go into this breed with some knowledge and an understanding of why health testing is so important when looking for a puppy.
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Ohh what I ment to say was don't buy dogs from Vom Amaris. It's a ****ed up Kennel ran by a perverted teenager and a disillusion elderly claiming to be a "patriot". For those of you who have been screwed over by them before I say "Who in there right mind pays that much for a dog?"
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