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Old 05-10-2010, 07:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Airedale Terriers & cardio

Someone posted some misinformation in the thread where there was some discussion of Dobe-Airedale crosses.
It was stated that "Airedales don't have cardio" (and implied that crossing them with Dobes would help with the DCM issues in an attempt to justify more of these so called "designer dogs").

Airedales can and DO get Dilated Cardiomyopathy (DCM). Cardiac screening is part of their recommended testing and requirement for CHIC. They are also prone to chronic mitral valve insufficiency and congenital heart disease (PS, VSD, PDA)

A retrospective study of canine dilated cardiomyop... [J Am Anim Hosp Assoc. 1997 Nov-Dec] - PubMed result
Dilated Cardiomyopathy - WSAVA 2002

The Airedale Terrier Club of America, Inc. Website.
Canine Health Information Center: CHIC Information

They also get bloat/GDV, hip & elbow dysplasia, a handful of ocular disorders, hypothyroidism, hotspots, otitis, etc.
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Old 05-10-2010, 07:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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ARe there any breeds that are thought to be in the 'make-up' of the Doberman Breed that do NOT have issues with Cardio?
Or any other suitable outcross breeds that have no issues with DCM?

Is there a complete 'list' that gives this kind of information to the general public?

Oh, and how is you pup doing???? Pictures?
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH for taking the time to post this info and links. There are WAY TOO MANY dogs already in shelters and rescues waiting for their forever homes. HUNDREDS of dogs are PTS EVERYDAY in shelters across the country. For someone to WANT to create a new breed of dog is just plain STUPID, IGNORANT and SELFISH. I don't care what the reasoning behind wanting to create the breed is, IMO there is NO REASON that could justify it. There is a big difference between a "want" and a "need", and the last thing we need in this world right now is another breed of dog to add to the unwanted pet population that exists already.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH for taking the time to post this info and links. There are WAY TOO MANY dogs already in shelters and rescues waiting for their forever homes. HUNDREDS of dogs are PTS EVERYDAY in shelters across the country. For someone to WANT to create a new breed of dog is just plain STUPID, IGNORANT and SELFISH. I don't care what the reasoning behind wanting to create the breed is, IMO there is NO REASON that could justify it. There is a big difference between a "want" and a "need", and the last thing we need in this world right now is another breed of dog to add to the unwanted pet population that exists already.
Thanks Astra, my feelings exactly. The same poster that prompted reddobes excellent post also compared it to breeding horses. And that is apples and oranges as well. With a good mare a person does have the luxury of doing a breeding for THEMSELVES only and not having to worry about finding perhaps a dozen suitable homes!
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I am sure that when the simple tax collector sought to make a new breed from the MUTTS at the pound, he got the same response from sanctimonious people such as yourself.

Please do not ever think the dobermann is of such noble heritage to be bred from purbred dogs, it was MUTTS that this breed was created from and a VERY short time ago.

The dobermann is in fact the FIRST designer breed. A breed designed for ONE person's preferance.

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I am sure that when the simple tax collector sought to make a new breed from the MUTTS at the pound, he got the same response from sanctimonious people such as yourself.

Please do not ever think the dobermann is of such noble heritage to be bred from purbred dogs, it was MUTTS that this breed was created from and a VERY short time ago.

The dobermann is in fact the FIRST designer breed. A breed designed for ONE person's preferance.

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That was then and this is now. I don't know what kind of reponses Karl Friedrich Louis Dobermann recieved and quite frankly I don't care.

Please don't tell me what to think. I also do not need to be educated as to how the Doberman Pincher breed was created. And IMO, I wouldn't consider 1890 to be a "VERY short time ago".

Feel free to refer to me as being "sanctimonious" on this subject. I'm very active in regards to rescue and I will stand by my statements. The world does not need ANY other new breeds being added to the pet overpopulation problem that already exists.

Your entitled to your opinion as well as I. I would welcome your thoughts as to why you feel that creating a new breed of dog such as a "Doberdale" would be for no other purpose than to satify ones "preferance".
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I am sure that when the simple tax collector sought to make a new breed from the MUTTS at the pound, he got the same response from sanctimonious people such as yourself.

Please do not ever think the dobermann is of such noble heritage to be bred from purbred dogs, it was MUTTS that this breed was created from and a VERY short time ago.

The dobermann is in fact the FIRST designer breed. A breed designed for ONE person's preferance.

Tamara McIntosh

Sorry, but in this you are incorrect. My family is from Germany, and my great-grandfather had some of the first Dobermans in existence in the late 1800's and early 1900's. My grandfather followed suit - he was born in 1902, and had his first Dobe at age 9, and trained them for the army and police as a teen.

Dobermans were very carefully and thoughtfully bred for particular traits from specific dogs. They were HARDLY thrown together from "mutts". The "butcher dog" which was the basis of the early Dobes was what we call Rottweiler - however, in Germany at that time, the name was "Butcher dog", because Rottweil was the name of a town claiming they created the breed, and very few people were willing to give the credit to another town for their dogs - Germans are pretty proud and stubborn, and the Rottweiler has been around for a while, all over Germany. It was the cart/draft dog of choice, as well as a shepherd, guardian, police dog, etc.

The German Pinscher, Great Dane, German Shorthair and several other breeds were also used, as was the Greyhound.

This was a very deliberate creation by a very precise and thoughtful man, not some haphazard jumble of unknown bloodlines. And I really can't see that happening with stray mongrels. A few of us old timers are still around, and have some connection to that distant past...

...oh, and by the way, I would like to add that there have been "designer breeds" for hundreds, and in a couple of cases like the Saluki and Afghan, a couple of thousand years. I can't think of a single sound reason for a dog like the Papillon, Shih Tzu or Pekinese except as a "designer dog" to have on one's lap, look pretty, be an object for affection - and catch stray fleas - and these, as well as quite a few other "designer breeds" are significantly more ancient than the Doberman. And how about the English Bulldog - there would be NO such animal in nature, so brachycephalic that it can hardly breathe, so contorted in its structure that it can't naturally birth its own offspring, yet specifically "designed" that way for the amusement of bullbaiting fanciers.
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