sam&macksmom

Sorry but you will get no shoulder to cry on from a majority of DTers.

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StarlaineK9

LOL Sue her.

Good luck though.....my guess is even if you get a judgement she will dissapear OR you will find out the has no "papers" to begin with.

Many before you have tried and failed. Good luck.

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RottenVonSpotten

Wanting one puppy from your dog is a horrible reason to breed. I vote neuter too, for the sake of all the homeless dogs in rescues and shelters.

Aseerus9

The bloodline did NOT come from Judy Mueller. She wanted it that is how this deal was made. Came from Germany. Nevermind.... Just disregard my post people.

Mephistophelian

If your breeding to have one pup from the litter what will be done with the other pups? Do you health test? What does your dog have to offer to the breed? Show? obedience? any working titles? Breeding a dog for one pup doesn't make sense, you say you don't want to breed for "pet" owners but what will become of the rest of the litter?

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robinb

Another Washington person in favor of neutering! As Elaine posted she has no "bloodline" anyone would be interested in. There are some great breeder's in Washington and Oregon that are doing a superb job breeding Dobermans for a variety of venues.

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StarlaineK9

I got that.

But I have to ask how you got involved with Judy in the first place. She always seems to sucker people and get new dogs....then the trouble starts.

Like I said good luck getting the papers. My bet is you won't.

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robinb

There are several long established reputable breeder’s already in the PNW with proven --titled and health tested--Euro lines as I‘ve owned a couple of wonderful Euro bred dogs from two of them. Those folks would be on the United Doberman Club list.

Just because they are Euro does not make them breed worthy in the least. Greatness in a dog doesn’t come from the country they originated in as there is good and bad from everywhere. Again, neuter your dog.

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Aseerus9

Wow such judgement with the limited information I submitted. Thank you everyone. Starlaine thanks for being nice about it. I will take all your opionions into consideration and don't worry I won't add to the "overpopulation of dobermans" with insuperior breeding. Geese!

Darkevs

any breeding adds to the Overpopulation of Doberman in the World today. It really is an epidemic out there.


Sorry your future breedings plans for your boy got screwed.

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Abby

I don't expect to actually change your views, but I'm still going to throw this out there for anyone might be reading.


I've met a lot of people with Dobermans who are so in love with their dogs, they feel like they're really lucky to get the most perfect dog for them- and they go to great lengths to get dogs from the same bloodline or even out of their own dog by breeding. Of course these people continue to get amazing dogs that are perfect for them, so they continue under the impression that only by going to that one breeder they'll get these perfect dogs... but it is Dobermans they're breeding, isn't it? THATS why the dogs they produce are perfect- not because of that magical bloodline!

What I'm saying is, this is an AMAZING breed! The whole breed, not just one bloodline! The joy you've found isn't of owning a dog from Altobello, Cambria, Black Shadow or wherever your dog could possibly be from! You've found the joy of owning a Doberman, and I think maybe you'd be surprised by how wonderful this whole breed is, regardless of bloodlines.

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Aseerus9

Beautiful Abby! Thank you. And I completely agree with you. The truth has no agenda...

M_Shannon

Oy... I think the word you were looking for would be "inferior".

RedFawnRising

Due respect, you're brand new here, and you come on first thing talking about an association and breeding arrangements with a very disreputable person.

At that point, the burden of proof is sort of naturally on you, to demonstrate that your male is a breeding-worthy animal.

Post his pedigree--maybe you will change folks' minds.

Post his titles and his health test results, while you're at it.

All that would go a long way to earning you some credibility.

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StarlaineK9

....another thing.....take a nice read again of the original gist of this thread from the OP, and you will understand some of the strong statements from everyone here.

If you have "10 generations" behind your dog, how did you get messed up with Judy Mueller? Her dogs are pretty bad looking these days mostly because from what I have seen they are rott/dobe crosses as I mentioned before.

I have been to arbitration to testify against her on two occasions in cases where buyers either wanted money back because they got a sick dog or they never got the papers they were promised.

She is despicable if you ask me.

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Starlaine Dobermans & Whippets
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LindaH

Those bloodlines came from Germany 10 generations ago. The german bloodlines would be pretty watered down by now. Anything farther back the grandparents doesn't really count so much in the grand scheme of things when breeding or bragging anyway.

I have to wonder how many dobermans you are responsible for in Washington with just your 10 generations of breeding. Did you only breed the one litter for one to keep??? Somehow I don't think so...hope you tell me I am wrong.

FYI you will find no support for breeding a non titled doberman on this forum but I wish you would stay and read and find out why we are so adamant about our stand.

You could start here:
DPCA | The Doberman | Health

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Aseerus9

I have never bred any dogs. I never claimed to be a breeder. And I am surely not bragging about anything. I did NOT do the deal with Judy Mueller, I just was asking if anyone knew the best way to get the papers I needed from her and at this point am certain that it will never happen... the deal that was made with her was over 7 years ago. I think she is a horrible breeder!! I did have the idea of wanting another puppy from my male eventually but stand corrected. And just to be clear it was my Grandfather who did the breeding who has passed. I do know they were not sold to the public and were working dogs. I am sorry if I mislead all of you in thinking I wanted to be a backyard breeder. I am glad to see how many people care so much about this wonderful breed. I grew up all my life with these dogs and they are amazing! I have several family members and friens that wanted a puppy- they would have been accounted for... But now I think I will have to send them to one you.

Darkevs

encourage them to check into a Rescue Doberman too. Please.

Hugz to your boy!

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Aseerus9

I also wanted to add that all of the siblings to my male were neutered and spayed My dog is the only one left. And they all have loving homes, so that litter has in no way contributed to any iresponsible breeding in Washington.

LindaH

Thank you for this explanation...there is nothing better than being wrong about someone's bybing background.

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Aseerus9

I will surely do that. They have all been proud doberman owners forever and know the breed well. I know they would be open to the adoption option.

Q734

I don't usually chime in on threads like these but if you're in the Washington/Oregon part of the country, that area is like the doberman capital and many of the best come from there.

Why would anyone w/more than 1/2 a brain try for anything less when there are so many beautiful dogs from that part of the U.S.

You'd only be selling dogs to completely clueless people who didn't do their homework, and who wants homes like that for their puppies? Gah.

Rosamburg

I was not going to say anything, but I need to add that it is real refreshing to see someone take in what people are saying and take it to heart. It is a real rarity, many people would just tell people to F$#$ off. Send me a PM, I live in WA state and am into working dogs.

KenyaARaineCD

@Aseerus9 Ditto me on that. Glad to see you stayed with us.

roofgrit

This person, in Puyallup, WA, is a horrible breeder of Dobermans and Rottweilers and is selling dogs on Craigslist.