monicaei

Ok, the purpose of me rehashing this thread was a concern about dog fighting videos and that it is easily retraceable / hosted by this guys website. Health issue and the price of puppies is one thing, but I really want to know who the heck is this OTHER glaring concern reportable to? Not on the Internet forum, but actual authorities? No one else finds this concerning?

punkischic

the DCM gene test is only a marker for one of the obviously multiple genes attributed to DCM, it's not the end-all-be-all and many breeders do not put too much emphasis on them (even though i think dogs should be tested for this marker, not to make breeding decisions per se, but for the added information to the study of DCM in this breed).

at this point, it's far more logical to rely on cardio testing by means of echos and holtering along with pedigree research in determining what to do. unless it's a homozygous positive dog, then the dog should be removed from a breeding program but this test isn't saying much when dogs who actually have DCM are showing up as homozygous negative (not having that marker present).

a pedigree with an abundance of DCM, to me, is a huge red flag.

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punkischic

they're not real dog fighting videos.

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tnh317

Um not defending the guy, but what are you going to report exactly? There are some videos posted with titles that sound like they're of dog fighting, but I'm not really sure because I didn't click the links? Sort of ridiculous no?

Guess what? I clicked the links and all of the ones I clicked were of dogs playing / rough housing. Again, not defending the guy, but maybe do a bit more research before making accusations?

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monicaei

Got it. Thanks. My bad.

pdubois64

The person you are responding to was banned 5 months ago.

While I would not defend FD in any way Del Nasi is a very respectable breeder of Euro Showlines. Fedor is my boys Grandsire, and to me his pedigree looks very typical of any Doberman. Fedor will be 10 next year and his sire Baron Nike lived to 12 and his Sire to 12.

Here is breeding that was done with Fedor by a highly regarded breeder here:
Exciting Dual Sire Litter Litter Announcement

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Kobe's Mom

Sorry, I didn't realize they were banned, but still stand by my conclusion that DCM in a pedigree isn't evidence of a poorly bred dog. Also, concerning DNA testing, so far only the one gene mutation has been identified and it's incidence corresponds to the death rate of Dobes. I certainly think all should be tested to use as breeding guide, to aid in further research, and to give early diagnosis to positive dogs for their care and treatment. Diagnosed dogs .should be tested to see if they are positive...again, it would add research info. Certainly all dogs should continue to be monitored with Holters AND Echocardiograms even if they test negative, because there may be other genes out there. However, I sure don't think the fact that we don't know everything yet is justification for not testing! It seems like an excuse to me. As I said in my previous post, I will never again buy an untested Doberman. If we all insisted on that, we would help get universal testing. We all know that Holters and Echos are only as good as the day they are done. I have a call out to Dr. Meurs to clarify some questions. I will update if I find any significant new information on her findings to date. Clearly, all are in titled to their opini

pdubois64

I agree, my post was directed to StarlightDobe as they were responing to someone (bigdogsmalldog) who was banned 5 months ago.

Also, I'm not sure how bigdogsmalldog got a dog sired by Fedor del nasi from Family Dobies. They certainly do not own Fedor, and I can't imagine
del nasi breeding with any of their bitches, especially being that he is located in Slovenia.

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tnh317

Easy enough, import a bitch already in whelp. Looking through the litters on the website, it appears that in all instances where an outside stud was used this is the case.

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pdubois64

ETA: Oh now I see that's FD's site, that would explain it then.

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tnh317

He bred his own bitch, as opposed to buying one already located over there that had been bred and having her shipped over before the puppies are born.

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StarlightDobe

I didnt realize he was banned, also the point I was making was in regards to his bragging about how he could spend 4 grand and get such a fantastic dog and that anyone that could NOT afford that high of a price could not possibly get a good dog. It seems to me that having so many dogs die before 6 years would not constitute such good breeding, especially with heart problems. Now, perhaps I am wrong, Im not an expert, and while it is likely that some of the other dogs can be quite good, or live longer, it just seems to me that having several dogs dying before their 6th birthday isnt such a good thing. I am under the impression that most good breeders are looking to breed dogs that live past 10, and want dogs in their lines who have lived long lives, not ones that have passed on so soon in life. It certainly didnt sound like it made a good argument on his behalf for spending the kind of money he did for a dog, to be bashing us people that chose not to spend that much, and we still got dogs just as good as his.

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pdubois64

I see that now I didn't realize at first that was a link to FD's site, never been there before.

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My experince with Family Dobes can only be described as fantastic!!! From first contact through today, the experince has been so positive. Shortly after getting my Addy, I experienced a medical crisis and Steve volunteered to keep Addy until I could get through the crisis. Steve was always honest and up front right up to today and can't imagine him being any different in the future.

If Steve is running a puppy mill then he really should start breeding for more litters a year. He will shortly be going broke with the number of litters a year he is having.

Joey in Virginia

Rosemary

Well it says on their website that they are expecting two litters (BL and BO) in December, less than a week apart. How many litters have they had earlier in the year? How many do they have on the ground right now?


ETS: this is from a thread earlier this year. Objective Insights Wanted on Breeder That Most Love to Hate

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RedFawnRising

Welcome to DT.

Pretty sure "honest" and "Family Dobes" in the same sentence is a huge oxymoron.

Good luck with your pup, though. I hope your experience continues as good, over the years, early in the day, and al that.

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