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Old 10-04-2009, 11:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm helping a friend in NC find a responsible breeder.
She is seriously considering Harraden's Doberman Den. I'd like to give her some other options, or some facts to help move her in a different direction. Maybe I'm totally wrong, that's why I'm asking for opinions here.

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Old 10-04-2009, 11:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm helping a friend in NC find a responsible breeder.
She is seriously considering Harraden's Doberman Den. I'd like to give her some other options, or some facts to help move her in a different direction. Maybe I'm totally wrong, that's why I'm asking for opinions here.

She already contacted or attempted to contact the breeders listed for NC
on the DPCA webpage. Since she has a budget of less than $1000. nothing seemed to panout for her. Calls were not returned, no pet puppies, etc... Also, FYI, she doesn't want a rescue. Flying a pup is not an option since her budget will not allow it. Must be NC based. Sorry I left out these details in the original post.
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Then she will get what she pays for. Harradens was a horror story if I remember correctly. Doberman's are a high maintenance dog, she MIGHT be able to find a reputable breeder who will sell pups in the $1200 to $1500 range but under a $1000 is not likely to happen due to the high stud fees, extensive health testing that our breed requires, etc. The $500 difference she will have to pay for pup from a reputable breeder will most likely quickly be made up savings in vet bills and misery.
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Trying to find a breeder in SC or surrounding states
Looking for a reputable breeder in the Charlotte, NC and/or surrounding area.
Hung's Kennel in SC...bad news.
Anyone know of upcoming litters in North Carolina?
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I'm helping a friend in NC find a responsible breeder.
She is seriously considering Harraden's Doberman Den. I'd like to give her some other options, or some facts to help move her in a different direction. Maybe I'm totally wrong, that's why I'm asking for opinions here.

I am always interested in how people's mind work. Why do you think she is considering the said breeder? Location? Website?
What made you ask the question here, for instance, were there red flags you saw that moved you ask?
Answering these questions can better help others help you.
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I've never met a dog from either, but i would definitely check out Allure and Goldgrove for myself.

I agree with everyone else, take a few months and save the extra $500- it's totally worth it.
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Thank you for the insight. I have never done a search here- I guess I should learn how. But I did click on the links you posted and will fwd it to her, Also the suggestion to spend more now and pay less in heartache later. Funny how people budget a certain amount without doing any homework what-so-ever. I didn't 'see' that as funny until after what you all said. I 'll work on getting her to wait, and save up $ if that's what it takes.
Thank you to everyone. I'll try to figure out how to search this venue for future use. I'm still learning Dragonperson.
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Your friend needs to figure out what they want to do as well with their future dog. That can help make an appropriate choice as well. People have a varied level of interest. Some are into conformation showing, others AKC obedience, agility, some Schutzhund, French Ring, Personal Protection, and some just as a household pet. I would forward your friend the link to this site. Reading the info here for a while can help them make an informed opinion. There are at times rescue puppies available as well. Even if it is a distance away, people here may be able to help get the puppy to where it needs to go.
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She is going to need extra money for vet bills even if she gets a puppy from a good breeder. They still have to have puppy shots, exams and doberman puppies are notorious for getting staff infections, that need treatment, when they are puppies.

Oh I forgot to add this for the rest of the story.

Harraden's Dobieden chains puppies

and Please could you tell what is wrong with the pup - Topic The People of Pluba Land
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Lucky puppy kennels in salisbury NC. i live n california and just they flew out a beautiful pup to me 3 days ago!! he has been vet tested healthy and is ckc registered. i know people are going to chime in but i paid 500 + 300 for shipping and couldnt be happier...his name id hercules by the way
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Lucky puppy kennels in salisbury NC. i live n california and just they flew out a beautiful pup to me 3 days ago!! he has been vet tested healthy and is ckc registered. i know people are going to chime in but i paid 500 + 300 for shipping and couldnt be happier...his name id hercules by the way

NO NO NONONONONNONONONONO!!!! NEVER! Silly "Ilubmydobe" person.

You cannot recommend a place that has whelped 11 litters (almost 75 puppies and almost $38,000)SO FAR this year alone! "Harley" has sired 8 out of those 11 and Roxy was bred twice this year! Those are not handsome puppies, they are sad and neglected creatures who aren't being nurtured or socialized properly from the getgo.

The parent's ears are not cropped which says to me that they are not shown and the musculature and tone on the pictures tell me that those dogs are not working dogs. When they say CKC, is that the Canadian Kennel Club or the Continental Kennel Club? Because, the Continental Kennel Club is a load of old hooey. That's right..HOOEY. There are no apparent health tests done on the parents, a HEALTH CHECK is NOT ENOUGH.

I am soooo turning these people into the IRS. This is disgusting. Absolutely vile.

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Edit: Also, I like saying hooey. Hooey.

Also will explain now why I am reporting to the IRS. They will have likely shipped some puppies to Canada if they do offer Canadian Kennel Club registration. There are extra forms and documents that need to be catered to before you can file your taxes if you do business with anyone outside the USA. Also, filing this sort of expenditure (raising/selling puppies) on your taxes means you lose money out of what you made off the puppies, and it can amount to quite a bit, so many unethical breeders will leave the CASH EXCHANGES they make off their taxes, they are practically unnoticeable at times! (not...)


EVEN MORE INFURIATING!! They will not take a puppy back, all sales final. Its actually written in the contract that they will DISCUSS THE OPTION OF RESCUE NEAR THEM!!! Holy...unbelievable. Will be sending an email to all rescues in their area warning them about this particular "greeder". Maybe they can start requesting apps for experienced dobe foster homes just in case.

My aunt lives in NC..she and her friends have fostered and rescued out dobes in that particular area...
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I dont think you have the right to be policing people. You are looking at pictures and saying " it doesn't seem" and all these remarks about their practices. On msn news, lucky puppy kennel was interviewed as the opposing side to puppy mills. I know the quality is not champion this and champion that, but the puppies are treated with love and I ACTUALLY OWN one and am very happy with Hercules. Who are to say they made this much and taxes and all this hooey (garbage). Become an auditor and then hawk people. until then you need to relax and take your dogs for a walk.
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That is one sad looking web site. The one named Roxy breaks my heart.
There is no way that those puppies get what they need with that many litters. This is one kennel that you will NEVER change our minds about. They are breeding poor quality dogs and anyone that has a web site where you can just click on a button that says "buy this puppy now" is NOT a reputable breeder. How do they know what kind of homes their puppies are going to. No way!
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*shrugs* come back in 5 years and tell us how your pup and his siblings are doing (if in fact they're still around). I'm just saying that those types of breeders have no real difference to puppy mills in a sense. They don't put the time or effort into the puppies to ensure they're raised appropriately and have a good temperament.

You're on the other side of the country, with a plethora of AMAZING breeders between. Was shipping necessary one of your pre-requisites for a puppy? We've had a few individuals who would only accept shipment of a puppy and didn't even bother to visit the puppy first or even research.

Do you know about vWD? PHPv? PRA? Hip Scoring? DCM? CVI/Wobblers? CAH/Copper Toxicosis? Thyroid?

No? Well you should start researching then. Your breeder could have afforded to have run the health tests and checks for all of those things, she probably hasn't got the time to spend researching the pedigrees of her dogs, but she could have at least health tested the dogs. When you said "Vet Health tested" that's an instant ringer for no health testing, most vets have no idea what health tests need doing in each breed. Believe me in this breed, health testing is something to scream from mountain tops if you achieved good results, but when a breeder shows No signs at all for health testing, that says to me puppy farm. That is what your breeder is in essence, farming puppies. No responsible breeder will breed a bitch back to back, responsible breeders find the stud that best fits the bitch, not the cheapest (read free), they are knowledgable about the breed, not just via some textbook spiel about Louis Dobermann and what have you.

No responsible breeder will leave cropping up to the Puppy owners. This is just asking for terrible, bargain bin crops and possible infection due to lack of education on care.

For a well-bred, health tested puppy, you're looking to spend around $1500-$2000. When you fork out for a health tested puppy from titled parents, you're receiving a puppy who has been given the BEST possible chance at a long healthy life. The Dobermann is *NOT* a healthy breed, they require special care when it comes to everything from exercise requirements and restrictions to diet. Some of the better quality foods are Orijen and Taste of the Wild, btw. Not the cheapest, but certainly worth it for your dobe's comfort.

You only have to do a simple search on DCM on this forum and you'll find several instances where people have lost their best friend much too soon to this deadly and sometimes silent killer. You may want to go ahead and start saving up to get all of the necessary health tests done on your puppy when he is age 2 or so. Best of luck with him, treasure him, but I hope that you can learn from this mistake you've made. I made that mistake, and so have many others. Its no fun when you lose your best friend.
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:40 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I'd bet my next paycheck that the 2 Dobermans in the photo on "Lucky Puppy Kennel" Home Page are not their dogs because all of their dogs are absolutely horrible examples of the breed. I wish I knew how to search up the origin of that home page photo. Their website makes me physically sick. GREEDERS is way too nice of a word for people who earn their income at the expense of living creatures.

This kennel AND Harraden's Dobie Den are equally disgusting. I often think that the internet has really encouraged greeders - all they have to do is have a flashy home page and a cheap price to satisfy the demands in our current pet crazy society. Sigh...
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We have a brand new 1500 square foot facility catering to every need our pets may have. It is climate controlled with spacious areas for play, exercise, and napping. Each and every one is showered with love and affection. They love to frolic with our two-year-old son and are very watchful over him. Our Dobes are truly a part of our family.
Hmmmm.... these two things don't go together. Wonder if they put their children in a "facility"?

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The above puppy on this _____ day of ___________,_____, has been sold to the person(s) listed below. By signing this document the buyer understands and agrees to the following terms and conditions.



Within 48 hours of accepting possession of the puppy, whether picking up personally or the time of flight arrival, the buyer is to take the puppy to a licensed vet. Not doing so voids all further warrantees. If the buyer believes the puppy to be sick, the buyer agrees to return it to the seller, with a letter from the examining licensed vet stating the problem, and the seller will either refund the purchase price, minus the non-refundable deposit, or exchange the puppy for another from this litter if there is one available at the seller’s discretion.

Additional Terms: The puppy you receive will most likely have only received one of the recommended three sets (Dobermans-four) of puppy vaccines. Until all shots are completed, they may be at risk for Parvo, a very dangerous and fatal disease. Do not have your puppy around other unknown dogs until all shots are completed.



The seller assumes no responsibility for any vet or medical bills from the day of sale of the puppy. The seller is not responsible for landlord disapproval, allergy, disagreements of family, or any other reasons. All sales are final except for those listed above concerning puppy health.
Additional Note: If, for some reason, you find you are unable to care for your puppy, please contact us first and we will discuss the option of rescue by us.
Nice. Real nice. Poor dogs. Sick sick sick and no amount of "I love my puppy and think she is great" will make me think any better of this POS greeder.
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The lucky puppy site makes me sick to my stomach too! I also wonder about the dogs flanking the left side of the homepage and the top banner. There is no way they could be owned or bred by this "breeder".
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That site is absolutely disgusting. I am literally about to throw up. Please do your research.
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stay away from Pantheon- Deb Green. Sold me a puppy with exocrine pancreatic insufficiency, did not honor the guarantee. Non-responsive. Considering small claims court to remedy.
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Old 11-09-2009, 07:42 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I dont think you have the right to be policing people. You are looking at pictures and saying " it doesn't seem" and all these remarks about their practices. On msn news, lucky puppy kennel was interviewed as the opposing side to puppy mills. I know the quality is not champion this and champion that, but the puppies are treated with love and I ACTUALLY OWN one and am very happy with Hercules. Who are to say they made this much and taxes and all this hooey (garbage). Become an auditor and then hawk people. until then you need to relax and take your dogs for a walk.

The doberman community is a lot smaller than you think, if you're(general) unethical it won't be a secret for long.

Have fun with that guarantee of living at the vet's office. Pay now or pay later.
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harradens dobieden

I have gotten a female from them, and so have my 2 sons. They are good dobie people. Stories of chaining and being mean to dogs is wrong. You need to go see the kennel and talk with the people yourself. I am very happy with my girl.
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I am trying to find a family pet doberman puppy that I can register under my name without a co-member. I don't mind paying, but I want all rights. I have been searching relentlessly. I have learned that you need to know four generations back and also be aware of all the health issues first hand before buying. Is there anywhere in NC that I can find a puppy.
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