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Hey guys.

I've been lurking around the forums for months. I finally got around to creating an account.

Recently my beloved Doberman passed away due to getting out and being attacked by a coyote (we live near a heavily wooded area). I've noticed that everyone on this forum is against 'Backyard breeders' and I agree. This is why I need help choosing a good European Doberman breeder.

I've been looking at the following Doberman breeders:
~SavSan Dobermanns~
eurodoberman.com

What do you guys think about both of those? I can't find anything on Savsan, but it appears that the bloodlines and dogs are good? Can someone advise me about some good European Doberman Breeders in North America? Money is not much of a problem (As long as it's reasonable) since I want the right dog. Your guys opinion matters a lot to me, hence why I made an account here.

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I don't know that I could recommend a great breeder of Euro line dobes myself since I'm relatively new to the breed, however I'd like to say that if at all possible call up a breeder, have a chat and ask if you can visit and meet their dogs. All of the breeders I looked at allowed me to come meet their dogs in person and see their whelping area etc. I'm certain that there are great breeders out there that will ship a puppy but I personally just feel far more at ease knowing I'm not paying a breeder who is in reality more like a puppy mill.

Right off the bat, the second link you posted seems rather suspect to me since they have a whopping 23 dogs in their possession. I could be wrong but I just personally would rather see a smaller breeding operation really focused on quality dogs that are moving the breed forward in the right direction.

Additionally I'd say it's absolutely imperative to call or email the breeders you're looking at, and pay attention to whether they ask you to fill out a puppy application or interview you/ask for photos of your home and yard. Typically I've found that breeders who'll sell to any person off the internet most likely are just in it for the money. If you look at the second link you posted, those breeders had at least 14 litters of puppies JUST IN 2016! That's an insane amount of pups! If this breed wasn't so plagued with health issues and bad breeding practices then I don't think I'd be as weary but sadly nowadays you really need to do your research! Anyway, best of luck to you in your search. I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for especially if you post around the forums
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What is is that attracts you to European Dobermans?

Both of those breeders seem to be importing dogs and doing nothing with them except breeding them...I don't see any evidence they are working their dogs in any venue or doing anything with them, really. And really, just being interviewed isn't enough, either. I'd be especially wary of people in the US selling Euro Dobes, as it's a bit of a fad and finding people breeding them ethically is difficult.

This is a good start for how to evaluate breeders: Buying Guide - Glengate Reg'd Doberman Pinschers
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What is is that attracts you to European Dobermans?

Both of those breeders seem to be importing dogs and doing nothing with them except breeding them...I don't see any evidence they are working their dogs in any venue or doing anything with them, really. And really, just being interviewed isn't enough, either. I'd be especially wary of people in the US selling Euro Dobes, as it's a bit of a fad and finding people breeding them ethically is difficult.

This is a good start for how to evaluate breeders: Buying Guide - Glengate Reg'd Doberman Pinschers
Hey MeadowCat, how are you?

I took 'Eurodoberman' off my list. It appears most of the forums would also agree, due to them appearing to be a BYB (breeding their dog whilst still growing).

I am in contacts with Savsan Doberman's and Dobermann Ultimatus. Both are very responsive and have given me excellent information and dogs seem to be health tested.

Could anyone possibly help me find some good European Dobermann breeders in Canada? I really do not want to be stuck with a BYB lol
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Dobereich is about the only decent breeder in Canada I've heard of breeding Euro showline dobermans... and hers are crossed with Am/Can show lines.

I have yet to find a reputable breeder in the US or Canada breeding 100% Euro show line dogs. This is because we have a different standard than Europe for showing our dobermans thus there is no way for the Euro show line dogs to be competitive here. If breeders can't show and title their dogs then they are not reputable breeders. Those titling in other venues use working line dogs which bare little resemblance to show line dogs.

There are a select few breeding Euro hybrids, like Dobereich, and some breeding Euro working dogs- again those working dogs do not have the same look at all.

My suggestion would be to expand your search to include reputable Am/Can show line breeders. You will have far more choices especially when it comes to health tested and long lived dogs far back in the pedigree. The show bred dogs imported from Eastern Europe have minimal health testing at best.
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Out of curiosity what is it about the Euro Doberman that attracts you?
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Out of curiosity what is it about the Euro Doberman that attracts you?
Take it easy on me if I am misinformed. I am still doing my research. This is kinda why I made an account on this forum, even though I know I'm gunna eventually get roasted.

Within my family, we have had 4 European Dobermans (I don't know the blood lines, because I was quite young at the time). I always remember those dogs being quite a bit more energetic, deeper chests, larger heads.

With that said, I am also buying a dog as a companion. I want to make sure he is going to be healthy and longevity is a vital factory. I was led to believe that European Dobermans will meet all the factors I am looking for.

Again, I am still doing my research, and I do not intend to 'pull the trigger' without having all my research done.
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Take it easy on me if I am misinformed. I am still doing my research. This is kinda why I made an account on this forum, even though I know I'm gunna eventually get roasted.

Within my family, we have had 4 European Dobermans (I don't know the blood lines, because I was quite young at the time). I always remember those dogs being quite a bit more energetic, deeper chests, larger heads.

With that said, I am also buying a dog as a companion. I want to make sure he is going to be healthy and longevity is a vital factory. I was led to believe that European Dobermans will meet all the factors I am looking for.

Again, I am still doing my research, and I do not intend to 'pull the trigger' without having all my research done.
LOL.... Nobody is being harsh or out to get you. They are just trying to gather as much info as possible in order to steer you in the right direction..

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I never roast unless it is for fun. I ask because sometimes some people have some serious misconceptions and unrealistic expectations. If that is what you had before I totally understand the desire to have the same. I would try to go back and find the lines of the ones you had before. All Euro's are not equal. Same with American lines or any other.
I hope you find what you are looking for. To get what you want don't rush the trip. Keep doing research and you will find it. Best to you

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LOL.... Nobody is being harsh or out to get you. They are just trying to gather as much info as possible in order to steer you in the right direction..

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I never roast unless it is for fun. I ask because sometimes some people have some serious misconceptions and unrealistic expectations. If that is what you had before I totally understand the desire to have the same. I would try to go back and find the lines of the ones you had before. All Euro's are not equal. Same with American lines or any other.
I hope you find what you are looking for. To get what you want don't rush the trip. Keep doing research and you will find it. Best to you

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Hi Reggie. Thank you for your words of advice. I think I'm going down the Pride of Russia route or Altobello.
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If you want a healthy doberman I would 100% avoid importing a dog from Eastern Europe.
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Take it easy on me if I am misinformed. I am still doing my research. This is kinda why I made an account on this forum, even though I know I'm gunna eventually get roasted.

Within my family, we have had 4 European Dobermans (I don't know the blood lines, because I was quite young at the time). I always remember those dogs being quite a bit more energetic, deeper chests, larger heads.

With that said, I am also buying a dog as a companion. I want to make sure he is going to be healthy and longevity is a vital factory. I was led to believe that European Dobermans will meet all the factors I am looking for.

Again, I am still doing my research, and I do not intend to 'pull the trigger' without having all my research done.
European Dobermans are not bigger, nor more energetic, and if the breeders you are talking to are claiming they are healthier or will live longer you should run away fast, because that is certainly NOT the case - the health/longevity is NO better in Euro dogs than they are over here.

The breeders you are linking are people that are importing dogs from Europe (and they aren't getting the top quality dogs from breeders) and are just breeding them without a lot of history/knowledge of those lines. If longevity and health is your top priority I would personally recommend you look at some of the breeders here in North America that are focusing on that instead...while there are good breeders in Europe, there are also a lot of areas where health and longevity are not a priority and where health testing is not as in depth.

Don't let the myths from the backyard breeders here that import dogs from Europe mislead you.
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To go along with MeadowCat's post, this is a comparison of the FCI (European) and AKC (American) standards.

FCI: SIZE AND WEIGHT :
Height at withers : Males : 68 – 72 cm. (26.77 – 28.35 in.)
Bitches : 63 – 68 cm. (24.80 – 26.77 in.)
Medium size desirable.
Weight : Males : about 40 – 45 kg. (88.18 – 99.21 lb.)
Bitches : about 32 – 35 kg. (70.55 – 77.16 lb.)

AKC: Height at the withers: Dogs 26 to 28 inches, ideal about 27 1/2 inches; Bitches 24 to 26 inches, ideal about 25 1/2 inches. The height, measured vertically from the ground to the highest point of the withers, equaling the length measured horizontally from the forechest to the rear projection of the upper thigh. Length of head, neck and legs in proportion to length and depth of body

At least one of the breeders linked in your first post has an oversized (or possibly simply obese) male, since they claim he weighs 120 pounds.

You might want to do some reading on Altobello. There are several threads discussing them here. This is one of them from a while back. Whats everyones problem with Altobello??


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This thread has some good info on Euro/American stuff, too...I think it might be helpful: Questions and Midwest Breeder


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Thank you Meadow!! Will look at all that information.
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If you want a healthy doberman I would 100% avoid importing a dog from Eastern Europe.
Hi Green, whats wrong with imported dogs from Eastern Euro?
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Hi Green, whats wrong with imported dogs from Eastern Euro?
I'm not GreenKouki but in recent years when a few Eastern European breeders have attracted lot of attention it also seemed the Eastern Euro breeders do less health testing than other Euro breeders. Also some of the Eastern Euro breeders work mostly through agents and I keep hearing about puppies (and this isn't just Eastern European puppies) arriving in poor physical condition and there is such an array of people in Canada and the USA who are breeding "European Dobermans" and who are importing dogs and breeding them indiscriminately that I would rather stay closer to home so I could get accurate information and go and see the facilities and the dogs.

Other people have commented on the fact that very few breeders advertising themselves as European breeders are anything but BYB's taking advantage of what has become a huge fad both in this country and in Canada.

I wish you nothing but good luck in your search but bear in mind the old adage-"Let the buyer beware." Do a lot of research before buying.
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Bug answered better than I probably could have, but I'll add that over last 10+ years on DT I've seen a fair amount of people intent on having a puppy imported from this part of the world. They were either in the US/Canada and wanted the "Euro" look or they were in Western Europe and importing from Eastern Europe was their only option for getting a cropped and docked doberman. A lot of these people were scammed out of money, never received a dog, were nickle and dimed during the shipping process, got a different puppy than they "ordered", or wost of all get a very ill puppy.

Just think about the kind of broker or breeder who would be willing to ship a puppy to a stranger halfway across the world and that should be reason enough to avoid it altogether. I can't name a respectable reputable US breeder who would sell a puppy to a stranger over there and I doubt anyone else on DT could either.
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