I have since expanded my search to include pretty much anywhere in the country. I don't mind taking a week off to pick up a puppy and get him settled in his new home. I also agree with everything you're saying about the relationship with a breeder. I'm definitely the type to be asking a lot of questions as the puppy grows up, so I want to make sure the breeder is accessible and willing to help.
I suppose what I like about the Euro look....and correct me if I'm wrong... but the Euros seem to have a bigger head and thicker neck, and maybe a little bit bigger chest as well? Some dobermans I've seen have thin, pointy heads and long thin necks. I suppose some of the differences could certainly be attributed to the difference in show weight or age, but I do like the look of the bigger head. Is that something I could expect from a Euro line? I obviously don't care about any of this if it is at the expense of longevity or health of the pup. And I certainly wouldn't go to a breeder that wasn't highly recommended by members here just to acquire these physical characteristics.
I spoke with Smack-Dab on the phone yesterday for a while. Very nice person. She was very helpful and I would be able to get on the list to take home a puppy in about 4 months or so! It is just a coincidence that she happens to be only about an hour away from me. I'm also going to be getting in touch with Swift Run this week to chat and see if there's anything available later this year.
Thanks for the recommendations,
. I'll look into them!
One thing to keep in mind is you don't want an OVERDONE chest - a big bubble chest isn't correct or balanced, and the dog isn't properly built. I'm not certain that's what you are looking at, of course, but the standard for each, again, is the same. I think what you are probably seeing is different poses.
Let me try to figure out, for example...does my Richter's head here, to you, look small? (And don't worry, I'm not offended!) DSC_0047
by Shanoa Delta
, on Flickr
Or here's a few more: Poll: which headshot for Richter?
Just trying to figure out where you are at.
This American bred male, to me, is does not have a thin, pointy neck or head, nor a small chest. Doberman Digest
Whereas, if this is the look you are liking (Some photos from last two shows
), these are European showlines, which are different than European working lines. Take a look at dogs more like the Landgraf dogs (Home Page
) or other breeders in the United Doberman Club (http://uniteddobermanclub.com/)...they
are breeding more for working lines - the "look" is different than show lines.
The problem is that if you are after the "look" of Euro showlines...almost no one is ethically breeding that here in the US. People breeding Euro lines ethically are doing it for working dogs, so they aren't breeding that show line look. If you see big, blocky, overdone "EURO!!!" dogs, almost all of them are importing poor quality Euro dogs. The reason you don't see Euro showlines being bred in the US by good breeders is that they aren't as competitive in the show ring, and they aren't as competitive in the working ring, so there just aren't as many of them. It's harder to find. There are some breeders blending American/Euro, there are Euro lines here that might have more of the look you want (but might be a lot more "dog/drive" than you want or can handle"...that's why it's more complicated when people are interested in Euro dogs.
I hope that makes sense? I'm certainly not trying to steer you away, just trying to help you understand the complications.