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Gladiator Doberman?

Hello! I'm pretty sure this has probably been asked on the forum more than a handful of times, but when I first got my dobe I was told by the breeders that the litter was 'Gladiator' Dobermans.

From my understanding they are just typically bigger than the norm and pose to have more health issues (found that out later down the road). But, I just wanted to know if there's even such a thing as a 'Gladiator' Doberman or it's just a name people came up with? I had no knowledge of such a 'specific' breed, but my boy did end up weighing more than the normal standard male doberman. He's currently 96 lbs and his vet says he's a healthy weight for his size, so I'm just genuinely curious. TIA!

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"Gladiator, warlock, goliath, king, superior size.." they all just mean oversized... over what the breed standard calls for. As you seem to be on to, these kind of breeders have little regards to the health of the dogs they are breeding. Their only concern is making the extra buck and using catchy names to make their dobermans stand out helps them to do so. If you're looking for a breeder we can help point you in the right direction. The DPCA breeder referral is a good starting point.
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Ah I see, thank you for the info! I'll be sure to seek guidance here when I'm ready to add another dobe member to my family!
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Hi anubisdobe and welcome.

Yeah... What greenkouki said ^^^^^

Dobermans have intrinsic health issues. If you take a "medium sized" dog and tcl on 20-30 lb., you are asking for trouble.

My youngest is 2 1/2. I like to keep him at about 80 lb. Our oldest is a "fine" dog and does best at 70 lb. pr less. Our recent "big boy", who passed a few years ago (DCM) would push 100lb.
He was best at about 92-95 lb.

These dogs were all from the same breeder, with very nice lineage. Still, they were all within breed standards.

Again... The Doberman is a MEDIUM sized dog and anyone who tells you otherwise is flat wrong

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Here's some miscellaneous history for you. Way back when there was a breeder, James T Bennett--his kennel name was House of the Gladiators. Had nothing to do with the size of the dog; he thought it was a kennel name that sort of evoked the breed--the Roman gladiator was always historically depicted as a brave, loyal defender of his country.

Way back when there was a dog, Ch Borong the Warlock CD, owned by Henry Frampton. The dog was very successful in the breed winning the DPCA National three times and was the dog used in the AKC's Complete Dog Book as the example pictured for the breed standard for many years.

Somehow Warlock ended up creating a myth named after him and Warlock became associated with oversized Doberman as did Gladiator and eventually anything that people associated with "legends" and fame--king, superior size but as Greenkouki said, the association is that of oversized dogs and that is not and never was a good thing.

The AKC standard is specific about size--bitches should be 24" to 26" with ideal being 25.5" and males 26" to 28" with ideal being 27.5". There is no size diqualification for size--over or under in the AKC standard so at any given time there have been a variety os sizes but there seems to be an American preference that is most easily discribed as "bigger is better". I cringe when I see advertisements for "Gentle Giants" and Suprior size as if this were a good thing.

I probably became more conscious of the oversized is better and attachment of various names to the oversized dogs because my first Doberman was from Jim Bennett's first homebred litter--a black puppy who became Am & Can Ch Mars of the Gladiators. I also got a lot of snide comments in later years about having a "Gladiator" dog.

And I remain amazed at how persistent the myth has been. Marc, my House of the Gladiator dog was whelped in 1959 and Henry Framptons Warlock died in the early 1960's.

In this particular case the answer to the Shakespean question "What's in a name..." is nothing at all. All these Warlock, Gladiator, King, gentle giants are just Dobermans who are oversized and sold and promoted by a variety of breeders who are only looking for profit not excellance.
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Thank you for all the replies and helpful answers. I got a little suckered into getting my dobe with that absurd title of being gladiator, he is definitely oversized. But my family and I love him to death.
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Are you still searching or do you already have the dog?
I think they've had the dog for quite some time (6 years?). They're just trying to get more informed on what "Gladiator" means, when the day comes that they are looking to add another Dobe to the family.
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I think they've had the dog for quite some time (6 years?). They're just trying to get more informed on what "Gladiator" means, when the day comes that they are looking to add another Dobe to the family.
Yes, you are correct! I've had him since he was 9 weeks old and he turned 6 in March of this year. & you are right again, I want to be more informed when I can bring home another dobe into my family.
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