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Hello, I am new to the forum but have been a Doberman lover since I was young. I am situated near Olean, NY- located 1.5h south of Buffalo, just above the border to PA. I was raised with golden retrievers but always wanted to own one of these spectacular dogs. A little over 11 years ago, I had my chance and welcomed Apollo into our family. Unfortunately, I just recently lost my red boy of 11yrs 8 months after an 8 month battle with bone cancer...on top of a 3 year struggle with wobblers. He had a wonderful personality, was extremely stable and confident, and despite no formal protection training, had an amazing ability to sense/read people and my reactions. On the outside he aged beautifully, and looked to be 7-8yrs at his 11th birthday.

Sadly, I got my boy out of a backyard breeder before I had been well informed on the numerous health issues of the breed. Now I feel I have gone in the other direction of the paranoia spectrum while I search for a new family member.

I am not looking for a show quality dog to excel in the ring (no breeding planned) but want an intelligent family pet with sound temperament. I like the sleekness of the American males but also appreciate a male a little on the larger size, possibly Euro (please don’t hate me for wanting a boy a little bigger or at the higher end of the breed standards). He will be a companion at home with area to run on 30 acres of land for exercise, but he will also accompany me to work on late night emergency calls. I am not a trainer, but plan on doing obedience and agility at home (may look into formal classes at some point). He will have feline friends and most likely will have an additional younger canine companion to grow up with (my older female golden has limited time sadly).

I have done several searches on all the Breeders I am going to list/plan on contacting. For many, the links/discussions here are over 3 years old so I was checking to see if there is any new updates or experiences:

Cara Doberman (is he breeding?)
Kalora Doberman
ConnQuest Dobermans
Friendship Dobermans
Jaladeck Dobermans (Little Leary of this one)

If I missed someone highly recommended please let me know. Any information is greatly appreciated and thank you in advanced.
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Hello, I am new to the forum but have been a Doberman lover since I was young. I am situated near Olean, NY- located 1.5h south of Buffalo, just above the border to PA. I was raised with golden retrievers but always wanted to own one of these spectacular dogs. A little over 11 years ago, I had my chance and welcomed Apollo into our family. Unfortunately, I just recently lost my red boy of 11yrs 8 months after an 8 month battle with bone cancer...on top of a 3 year struggle with wobblers. He had a wonderful personality, was extremely stable and confident, and despite no formal protection training, had an amazing ability to sense/read people and my reactions. On the outside he aged beautifully, and looked to be 7-8yrs at his 11th birthday.

Sadly, I got my boy out of a backyard breeder before I had been well informed on the numerous health issues of the breed. Now I feel I have gone in the other direction of the paranoia spectrum while I search for a new family member.

I am not looking for a show quality dog to excel in the ring (no breeding planned) but want an intelligent family pet with sound temperament. I like the sleekness of the American males but also appreciate a male a little on the larger size, possibly Euro (please don’t hate me for wanting a boy a little bigger or at the higher end of the breed standards). He will be a companion at home with area to run on 30 acres of land for exercise, but he will also accompany me to work on late night emergency calls. I am not a trainer, but plan on doing obedience and agility at home (may look into formal classes at some point). He will have feline friends and most likely will have an additional younger canine companion to grow up with (my older female golden has limited time sadly).

I have done several searches on all the Breeders I am going to list/plan on contacting. For many, the links/discussions here are over 3 years old so I was checking to see if there is any new updates or experiences:

Cara Doberman (is he breeding?)
Kalora Doberman
ConnQuest Dobermans
Friendship Dobermans
Jaladeck Dobermans (Little Leary of this one)

If I missed someone highly recommended please let me know. Any information is greatly appreciated and thank you in advanced.
Thank you for researching! I'm so sorry for your loss - bone cancer is horrible. I lost my Simon to it.

I would add that Raindance is in New York and is planning a litter this year (Raindance Dobermans | Breeder of Champion Dobermans in NY).

I don't have personal experience with the breeders you mention, but I know Ray Carlisle's Dobermans (Cara) are more working lines, so are going to be more high drive dogs, so that would be something to talk about with him.

I would recommend calling the breeders and seeing who you really click with. Give them your "resume", if you will, of dog ownership, what you are looking for, realistically, in a dog, in terms of energy level, what you are going to do with training, etc., what you like about their particular breeding program that you've seen, what questions you have, and just see who seems like a good fit for you. I find that talking to people really helps figure out who is the right breeder for you. You might also look at attending a show or two. Meeting people in person and seeing their dogs can give you a good idea of what you are looking for, and a better idea of their dogs, too.

You can find good bone and substance in American lines, if you look for it. People are mostly shocked when I tell them my boy's weight, as they routinely guess him to be MUCH bigger and heavier than he actually is.


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Thanks for the rely. I have contacted Cara, Kalora, Raindance, Friendship, and ConnQuest. It turns out that the wait list for Cara is very long and they are not even accepting new deposit/inquiries. I am looking at two/threes through Kalora and Raindance. If you can provide any information or suggestions about these breedings I would be thrilled since I am not very familiar with reviewing pedigrees. The first litter Kalora's the Lucky Dragon and Kalora's Rise of the Guardian looks to be health tested well (no recent holter monitor) but there are a fair number of repeats in in parantage as you look over pedigree...I take it this is a "normal" amount. The second litter through Raindance is Perfex Canis Major and Raindance Armed and Extremely Delicious- it seems like there may be a bit more variety in this lineage. Any Comments are much appreciated. Thanks again, Jennie
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I don't think Cara is actually breeding anymore. I think Raindance is a great choice. Likewise, I would feel comfortable buying a puppy from Kalora. They both have great dogs and great breeding programs. I think for me, especially if I was just looking for a great family pet and companion, my choice would be whomever I felt the most comfortable with. Part of buying a great dog is have a relationship with a great breeder and having access to all their knowledge, wisdom, experience and support.

If my memory is correct, the Raindance litter is actually a repeat litter. That can afford you opportunity to see and meet some of those dogs, and it can give you a better idea of what the combination might produce.


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I would also look in PA: Cha-Rish, Jalyn, are just 2

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