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Looking for AKC Red Doberman male puppy

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My name is Kelly and I'm from Kentucky. I'm currently in the search for an AKC red doberman male puppy. The most I'm able to spend is $800, and I'd like it if it wasn't more than a 3 (MAYBE 4) hour drive to retrieve the puppy. Mainly because I wouldn't want to force a young pup to stay in a car for longer than that, to get him home.
I just recently got out of a bad deal with a prior breeder, and it's honestly a good thing it occurred after reading some of the reviews I've read on this forum. Apparently the puppy was 'smothered by the mother' and 'all other puppies of the litter have deposits on them'. Sad thing is he was asking less money for the puppies on other sites than I was willing to pay :/

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Me and my parents have had our hearts set on this puppy sense I put the deposit down back in December, so this is quite devastating to find out only a few weeks from pick up that the puppy is allegedly dead.. so I'm 'hoping' that someone here can help us out.. he doesn't HAVE to be red, nor male, but if you have doberman puppies available near Ashland, KY, I'd like to hear from you and discuss possible purchasing a puppy..

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To get a puppy from a reputable and quality breeder and not a low quality byb your budget isn't going to cut it. Average cost for a puppy from a good breeder is $1,500-2,500.

My best suggestion is to lol at the doberman rescues near you. They do get puppies but you'll want to be on a list ahead of time as, no surprise, they're quite popular.
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Welcome to DT. As Sam pointed out, that budget is just not going to do for a well bred doberman puppy, unfortunately. Do some browsing and searching here on DT and you will see why the cost of a well bred pup is what it is. A breeder that doesn't cut corners will have a lot of expenses like titling the dam, full health testing on the dam, stud fees, handling fees, and ear cropping and tail docking on the pups. They are lucky to break even selling their puppies for what they do. If you visit the Doberman Pinscher club of America's website http://www.dpca.org/ and click on "the doberman" and "education" tabs you can also read more about this and what goes in to a well bred puppy. I'm glad you came to us and hope you will have a better understanding of what you need to do to find a good breeder soon. Please show the responses in this thread to your parents as well.

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My best suggestion is to lol at the doberman rescues near you. They do get puppies but you'll want to be on a list ahead of time as, no surprise, they're quite popular.
Sam, just trying to clarify. Did you mean to say "look" instead of "lol"? Just don't want to give the OP a feeling of hopelessness of finding a puppy through a rescue, because at first glance I thought that was what you meant.
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I am in agreement with the other members here, if you want a good quality puppy from a reputable breeder, you'll most likely end up paying somewhere around the $2000 range. These breeders do extensive health testing on both parents to ensure quality health in the puppies, as well as provide all vet care for the puppies once they are born and continued health care for the dam. It's a small price to pay for a healthy, well-bred Doberman

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Sam, just trying to clarify. Did you mean to say "look" instead of "lol"? Just don't want to give the OP a feeling of hopelessness of finding a puppy through a rescue, because at first glance I thought that was what you meant.
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Hi Onistina,

I know it seems shocking to pay around $2000 for a Doberman, when you see some selling for hundreds of dollars. I want to make sure you understand WHY that is. I'm going to link up an article you should read. Why do puppies cost so much? | Ruffly Speaking. Does that help? Basically, if you want a Doberman to BE a Doberman, you need a breeder that is really doing everything to breed quality dogs. You don't want to just look for an "AKC" Doberman, because, unfortunately, that doesn't really mean much. The AKC will register any dog as a Doberman that is the offspring of two other Dobermans. It doesn't mean they have the correct temperament, the correct structure, or that they were bred with any care towards good health. I had an "AKC" Doberman. As much as I loved her, she was NOT a good example of a Doberman. She was not safe around children, she was not safe around most people, she was not safe around other dogs. It wasn't how I raised her, either. It was carelessness in breeding, and it was a really, really sad experience to go through as a first time Doberman owner. I try to educate people so they can avoid similar experiences - I've heard from others that have had similar experiences...their dog died young of a preventable disease, or their dog just wasn't what it should have been.

My two dogs now were WORTH saving an extra year or two for. They were worth waiting for. Their breeders put a ton of thought and care into breeding them. Their breeders are always there for me, support me, answer my questions. My two dogs right now are DOBERMANS. They have correct temperaments. I can take them anywhere and I know exactly how they will behave. They are trustworthy. They are exactly what they should be.

And you know what? You deserve that. If it takes longer, that's okay. Save up your money and wait for a good dog from a great breeder. Or, like Sam suggested, get in touch with your local rescue group and get on a waiting list for a puppy...they do come into rescue. Don't support the types of breeders that don't care enough to breed a quality dog. You deserve better.


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Thanks for the replies, and I know why they run for $2000+. I understand the importance of health checking and stuff, and I know $800 isn't enough, it's just all we have atm so was just hoping that 'maybe' there is someone out their with a good rep that has them for a lower price. Doesn't have to be fully registered, or registered at all, though I prefer registered to make sure there isn't any z-factor in the bloodline.
Not that we plan to breed him.
Also, we won't be cropping the ears. We enjoy the dog for the breed and not the appearance. Though I know that cropping the ears can eliminate the risk of ear infections, my mom is highly against it. The docked tails is fine because theirs no nerve endings present when it's done when they are pups, and the tails can be a potential hazard to themselves, and others, once they get bigger.
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I know $800 isn't enough, it's just all we have atm...
For this reason alone you should probably wait to save up as much as you can for a health tested puppy. Buying a puppy is just the beginning of what you'll spend on your dog. You'll also have to bring them to the vet for a checkup after you get the puppy ($100-200 just for that) as well as buying food, toys, a crate, training class, etc. So if you don't have the kind of money for this, then I suggest you to keep saving!

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Finding an ethical breeder who is willing to leave the ears natural is going to be harder, as they are few and far between. Jesaran is one NA show-line breeder who has left the ears natural, and some of the working line breeders might be willing to leave the ears as well, but typically, if a breeder doesn't crop ears, it's a sign that they are cutting corners. As much as I prefer a completely natural dog ("factory original" ears, tail, and dewclaws), I've also resigned myself to the fact that if I ever do wind up getting a well bred Dobe, it will more than likely be cropped and docked.


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Thanks for the replies, and I know why they run for $2000+. I understand the importance of health checking and stuff, and I know $800 isn't enough, it's just all we have atm so was just hoping that 'maybe' there is someone out their with a good rep that has them for a lower price. Doesn't have to be fully registered, or registered at all, though I prefer registered to make sure there isn't any z-factor in the bloodline.
Not that we plan to breed him.
Also, we won't be cropping the ears. We enjoy the dog for the breed and not the appearance. Though I know that cropping the ears can eliminate the risk of ear infections, my mom is highly against it. The docked tails is fine because theirs no nerve endings present when it's done when they are pups, and the tails can be a potential hazard to themselves, and others, once they get bigger.
So couple things....

If that's all you have and you really really want a well-bred pup, wait and keep saving more. You simply will not find a quality dog at that price. I will echo again that rescue does get puppies and it is far less of a cost than a breeder to adopt.
A good puppy from a good breeder, will be registered and that registration will be limited.

Any breeder who's selling puppies in your budget is simply not going to be a good breeder, they won't be doing all the full health testing, they won't be titling their dogs, and they may or may not register them (as well as possibly ask for varying priced based on sex, color, or registration). It's just not going to be in the budget for them to do all that and sell so low, they're out to make money not produce good quality true Dobermans.

Now here's the big one, very few reputable breeders leave puppies natural eared. If this is a big issue for you than a rescue pup is really going to be the best fit.

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My best suggestion is to lol at the doberman rescues near you. They do get puppies but you'll want to be on a list ahead of time as, no surprise, they're quite popular.
Sam, just trying to clarify. Did you mean to say "look" instead of "lol"? Just don't want to give the OP a feeling of hopelessness of finding a puppy through a rescue, because at first glance I thought that was what you meant.
Haha it's ok, I knew they didn't mean 'lol'. It made too little sense xD
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Finding an ethical breeder who is willing to leave the ears natural is going to be harder, as they are few and far between. Jesaran is one NA show-line breeder who has left the ears natural, and some of the working line breeders might be willing to leave the ears as well, but typically, if a breeder doesn't crop ears, it's a sign that they are cutting corners. As much as I prefer a completely natural dog ("factory original" ears, tail, and dewclaws), I've also resigned myself to the fact that if I ever do wind up getting a well bred Dobe, it will more than likely be cropped and docked.
I personally don't mind the cropped ears, it's my parents who are highly against it. They've seen too many cases where cropping goes wrong, and the dog ends up with almost no ears, or they get an infection. My mother thinks it's cruel.
The docked tails and Dew claws are actually a good thing, over all, for the breed. I've read a case where a Doberman had broke his tail numerous times by waking it hard against something and it got to the point where the vet said it had to be docked. Docking a dogs tail after the nerves have set in is the same as chopping someone's arm or leg off. They will have phantom pain. So it's best to be done as puppies when their are no nerves yet, so they don't really feel it.
The dew claws have been known to break, if not completely break off. When a dog is in a run and lands their feet on the ground, the Dew claw actually does make contact with the ground. It's supposed purpose is to prevent the foot from twisting during a run by acting as a hook, but dogs who are very active and run a LOT (like dobies) will sometimes end up breaking them by too much use.
And I know I should save up. My parents are afraid of paying that much for a dog and it get sick somehow. I'll try to convince them more.
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The puppy will come home with the ears already cropped and healed and the breeder can show you how to post.
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I personally don't mind the cropped ears, it's my parents who are highly against it. They've seen too many cases where cropping goes wrong, and the dog ends up with almost no ears, or they get an infection. My mother thinks it's cruel.
The docked tails and Dew claws are actually a good thing, over all, for the breed. I've read a case where a Doberman had broke his tail numerous times by waking it hard against something and it got to the point where the vet said it had to be docked. Docking a dogs tail after the nerves have set in is the same as chopping someone's arm or leg off. They will have phantom pain. So it's best to be done as puppies when their are no nerves yet, so they don't really feel it.
The dew claws have been known to break, if not completely break off. When a dog is in a run and lands their feet on the ground, the Dew claw actually does make contact with the ground. It's supposed purpose is to prevent the foot from twisting during a run by acting as a hook, but dogs who are very active and run a LOT (like dobies) will sometimes end up breaking them by too much use.
And I know I should save up. My parents are afraid of paying that much for a dog and it get sick somehow. I'll try to convince them more.
It's a valid concern, especially with our unhealthy breed, that being said (and I hate using this analogy but sometimes it works best):

You could buy car A for $19,000 or car B for $35,000 both the same model year, yes one is cheaper sure, but the one that costs more does because the manufacturers used better parts that should and usually do last longer with lower maintenance proven by lots of testing and they offer an amazing support system to their buyers.

It's the same with a good breeder, a dog can still get sick and it does happen but the investment (and it's an investment) you're making is a dog who's parents, grandparents, etc... have been health tested extensively and proven to be conforming to the standard, as well as a breeder who is there with lifetime support and knowledge of your dog's family history generations back.

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I personally don't mind the cropped ears, it's my parents who are highly against it. They've seen too many cases where cropping goes wrong, and the dog ends up with almost no ears, or they get an infection. My mother thinks it's cruel.
The docked tails and Dew claws are actually a good thing, over all, for the breed. I've read a case where a Doberman had broke his tail numerous times by waking it hard against something and it got to the point where the vet said it had to be docked. Docking a dogs tail after the nerves have set in is the same as chopping someone's arm or leg off. They will have phantom pain. So it's best to be done as puppies when their are no nerves yet, so they don't really feel it.
The dew claws have been known to break, if not completely break off. When a dog is in a run and lands their feet on the ground, the Dew claw actually does make contact with the ground. It's supposed purpose is to prevent the foot from twisting during a run by acting as a hook, but dogs who are very active and run a LOT (like dobies) will sometimes end up breaking them by too much use.
And I know I should save up. My parents are afraid of paying that much for a dog and it get sick somehow. I'll try to convince them more.
I would really encourage you and your parents to go to a dog show and meet some of the local Doberman people or to contact your local chapter club (The DPCA | Chapter Clubs). I think it is SO helpful to meet people who own ethically bred dogs, to really meet and interact with those dogs, and with people who really understand the breed. You can talk to them about how to look for a good breeder, about health, about all of that. Most of the people I know locally would be happy to help new people with ears, with finding a breeder, all of that. We love to support people new to the breed and help them find a good, supportive, ethical breeder so they can get a healthy, stable puppy.


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