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Hello to whom ever is listening!! I am in Washington state (Puyallup specifically) and would like to know if 2000-2500 is average in pricing for a puppy. I am not asking because any particular reason, I really just don't know what's normal. I am trying to buy a beautiful pup! I don't know much about dobermans any knowledge is great! Thank you.
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Yes that is about right anything much lower or higher would begin the raising of red flags.
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Yes, that's pretty much the low to mid range cost of a well bred pup from a good breeder.

You do need to do your homework, though, since there some horrible breeders out there that charge that much and more. You want to make sure that the breeder you are looking at titles their breeding dogs in a legitimate organization and does the recommended health testing.

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Just want to mention--that price should include ear-cropping and after care. If a breeder tries to pass the cost of an ear cropping off to you (even if they have reduced the price because the pup is uncropped), that is a red flag.
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That is right in the price range we paid for our three. I feel it was a bargain. I don't know how the breeders do it after all tests run - OFA's hips and elbows, Holters, Cerf's
Dna, crop, dock, Champion, CD, WAC titles, stud fees, keeping pups until 9 wks post ear crop until stitches are out. The commitment here is astounding.
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I was at a DPC meeting with couple different breeders and someone glibbly made a comment about how they were making rich as a breeder and the whole room busted out laughing - it was the best joke of the night. There is a calculator somewhere (on the dpca website perhaps) that goes into breeder costs. It is eye opening.

Ears cropped, tails docked, dew claws removed, health tests done. Foundations of socialization done. Conformation done through lineage. Those things are a start of what to expect for your cost. And they are worth it and the only way to go as a responsible dog owner.
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I paid $2500 for my last three pus from a reputable Oregon breeder. Everything that one would expect vis a vis health testing, puppy care, cropping, docking etc. No regrets.

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Has anyone heard of Lisa Carnes? Am I allowed to name drop? Well I guess I'm doing it either way. Her page is Northstar Dobermans? When I've tried to understand the lineage I get super confused.

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I just want to thank everyone for their knowledge and help. I hope that it works out! I have a lot of reading to do!!
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Has anyone heard of Lisa Carnes? Am I allowed to name drop? Well I guess I'm doing it either way. Her page is Northstar Dobermans? When I've tried to understand the lineage I get super confused.
Lisa (Northstar) is a reputable breeder. She's definitely doing things right and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend her.

The price range is well within the average range for a puppy from one of the better breeders.
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I just watched the most horrific video in my FB news feed from a new station in South Carolina. There is a doberman breeder there named Jordan who had over 100 dogs confiscated from his place. The conditions were unspeakable. Hopefully you are not considering getting a puppy from him. I don't know how much he was charging for his puppies. The article said he got 9 months probation and that he is fighting to get his dogs back. AWFUL. Just wanted to throw that out there bc i saw the video this morning and almost cried. Regarding your question about pricing, I spoke to a few breeders before settling on Moose and most of them were in the 3000-4000 range. Good luck and can't wait to see pics of your puppy!
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Welcome! I also live in the PNW (Issaquah, WA). I think $2500 is reasonable, its what I spent on my current Doberman (cropped/docked) and Great Dane (cropped). However, I think it would be a stretch for find one from a reputable breeder that is cropped/docked for $2000 in our area, which has a pretty high cost of living. I was expecting to spend between $2500 and $3000 for either breed. I've found cheaper reputable breeders in other areas with lower costs of living, but when you factor in shipping, its pretty much a wash.
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No definitely not! That's horrible.
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No definitely not! That's horrible.
i know was like OMG. I guess bc i like various Doberman pages on Facebook, it recommended that post to me. Made me so sad and I cannot stop thinking about those poor dogs! I'm sure there is more to the story but the pictures they presented in court were so horrifying- I don't understand how someone can do that and sleep at night. I really don't.

I met with some people who are in the local Doberman Club here in San Antonio and they gave me some back issues of Doberman Digest. There are some pretty ads in there from various breeders. You can go to their website and look at a past issue to see....at least that way you have some places to start then can go from there?
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So Lisa was horrible to me and I would never recommend her to anyone. I have never experienced such bad ethic. I had my heart set on a pup and she just bailed. I don't know what makes a Breeder reputable, but she is not what I expected. Super bummed.
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So Lisa was horrible to me and I would never recommend her to anyone. I have never experienced such bad ethic. I had my heart set on a pup and she just bailed. I don't know what makes a Breeder reputable, but she is not what I expected. Super bummed.
Did you have an agreement in place to purchase a pup, or were you just in the initial stages of contact? Breeders obviously have a right to determine where their puppies are placed and which homes are the best matches for each puppy, even if you have your heart set on one. Can you give us some more details? I'm not trying to read into the situation, but it's not as if you can just contact a breeder and say "I want a puppy" and expect to get one...it's definitely a two way street of screening on both sides. Again, I'm NOT trying to read into the situation, just trying to get more details.


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This woman was very difficult, In every sense of the word. She was difficult to get a hold of, we were conversing via email. Difficult to converse with, she was very rude. She barely emailed responses to any of my questions. I would ask questions and IF she answered my questions she was always short. Which always lead to more questions (this is my first Doberman) We were at the point were I was going to put a deposit down on a pup.(Mind you she didn't even screen me, she just insisted that I put a deposit down on the 6 week old pup.) This lady and I live about 4 hours away from one another and there is a pass between us, I have been trying to make appointments with Lisa to meet the pup, but each time the pass was closed or bad weather, so it was dangerous to drive through. When I made arrangements the first time to meet the pup, she stated that I needed to make it quick because she had dinner arrangements that night. I'm not saying I was gonna stay the whole day or anything, she would just throw in things that didn't need to be said and just seemed so rude. These dogs are an investment, it's not like going to get a dog at the pound. This is 2000 of my money and I want to make sure the dog is a good fit. Since I had failed attempts due to weather issues at trying to see the puppies, I asked if I could just get a video of the pup, to check out her temperament. "She responded with she didn't have time for this, and for me to find a different breeder." And that was it, it was over. I could understand if we went through an application process and she screened me properly and she just felt I wasn't a good fit for the pup, maybe if it was done more professionally I'd feel better about the situation (maybe not, but I wouldn't be writing a rant about her.) Theoretically speaking If you don't have the time to properly screen and make time for the people who are giving you 2 grand for a pup, you shouldn't be breeding.
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This is no excuse for poor behavior but she may be at a point in her breeding program that she would have a very familiar set of buyers for her pups and unless you are a referral from another breeder a new owner to her is not the optimum home. just my opinion
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I don't really understand what your saying though, are you saying she sells to the same people? Then why entertain my emails. Why not just say that from the beginning and save me 3 weeks of anticipation? lol I feel like buying a Doberman is like adopting a child, I'm glad that reputable breeders do what they do because Dobermans are potentially dangerous with the wrong family/person. Not to mention so much work goes into these dogs, I can understand why breeders are so thorough. But to poorly entertain my wants for a pup, then blow me off because "you don't have the time" is a sorry excuse. I don't want to rush into buying a pup and she wasn't trying to wait, aren't people who are considered "reputable breeders" supposed to want someone who is making sure that the pup is a right fit for them?
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Well, yes--reputable breeders do want owners who are trying to find a suitable puppy but I've been on the receiving end of phone calls and e-mails from people looking for puppies and I'm not even a breeder. But I've owned, shown and trialed Dobes for many years so my name gets passed along to people looking for Dobermans.

Some of the phone calls I've dealt with made me sad because the people looking, often hadn't done enough homework to even ask appropriate questions and had so little knowlege that I ended up advising them to do a lot more homework before they started seriously considering a Doberman as a first dog. They may have ultimately made good homes but over the years I've seen so many Dobe puppies end up in rescue, pounds or just turned loose on the streets because they turned out to be more work than the first time owner had expected--and even at the price of a Dobe puppy they were disposable.

I know breeders who don't sell to first time dog or first time Doberman owners. I know lots of breeders who are very reluctant to sell to people with small children or who don't have fenced yards or who live in apartments.

And I know all too well that a litter of puppies from the time they are whelped until they go out the door take up an incredible amount of time.

I also know that there are breeders out there who aren't very tolerant about answering questions, who aren't very good about making appointments and as far as this winter has gone--I'm in Portland, Oregon and I know what it's been like in Washington and Oregon practically since that litter you were talking to Lisa about was born.

So, while I'm sorry that you felt that Lisa was rude and hope you have better luck with a different breeder I also need to suggest that you should probably do a little more studying the breed so that the first thing you say to a potential breeder (as you did in your first post here) is that you don't know much about Dobermans.

Good luck in your quest for a puppy.
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Its a shame you had this experience, please do not get discouraged. I firmly believe that potential buyers and breeders should get to know each other and genuinely become good connections before committing to a puppy. Maybe you and Lisa were not a good fit, doesnt mean Lisa is a bad breeder, its just that you two didnt click.

Have you thought of going to local shows and meeting breeders in person? Are you part of any local Kennel Clubs that may help you in your search?

I have known my breeder for about 5 years now, I've met her in person and have spoken to her via email over the years, I have gotten to know her breeding program and watched her dogs grow and excel at many things. During this time, she has also gotten to know myself and my lifestyle as well. When the time came that I wanted a puppy (September 2016) I knew who I would love to have a puppy from. I was able to get on her wait list for a female, and we are now happily waiting to pick her up mid April

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Hate to hear you had such a bad experience. I actually made a drive from Kent WA to Cashmere WA (3 hours) to see a owner returned 1 year old male from Northstar bout 2 years ago. I can honestly say as a first time doberman owner and someone who the breeder does not have a bond or connection with the best thing to do is call them rather than email. You have to remember they probably get hundreds of emails from families who inquire about their puppies and have probably got strung along by more than a handful of them and in the end lost good families for their puppies because of it. I did the same thing emailed about 2 times with no response, so I called and she answered and I asked if I could drive with my pitbull girl that day to meet the male and she said sure. We drove three hours and I spent 2 hours there (partly to charge my iPhone which completely died navigating to her home and also to sit and watch the male play with my girl) I spoke with Lisa and her husband out in the yard about the breed, why I was interested in the breed, they got a feel for me and vice versa. We ended up not buying that boy as he wasn't the optimal fit at the time, but after that emails were responded to the same day and she kept me informed of her next most recent litter. Also what was mentioned above is true, breeders have return buyers and homes that will get an "in" before a new homes who have not proven themselves yet, when I was talking with breeders some would flat out tell me I have 4 homes that already have a dog from me who are waiting for my next litter, if there are any more than that I will be going off a waitlist and then meeting perspective new home families. If you are really serious about a breeder or puppy from them let them know with a phone call, ask them what a good time to call would be when they have time to talk with you so you can show them you really are a serious buyer. Oh and Yes, $2000-$2500 is very fair for a doberman from a reputable breeder.

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Here's my two cents.

Breeders absolutely 100% have the right to deny a person for any reason. For ethical reputable breeders, these babies are literally blood sweat and tears!

Choosing a breeder imho isn't just about availability. It's about a connection between breeder and puppy buyer. I have seen some emails sent to several breeders and it often isn't pretty.

I have been turned down by breeders and I have also walked away )politely) from a few breeders as well. I took no offence and gave none when the fit wasn't right on either side.
Sometimes it is part of the process.
Finding a breeder you click with and does it right is so very very important. This person will be a part of your life for many years to come.
Not everyone gets along, sometimes people come off in emails completely differently than wasnintended. We often read into things.

Breeders also have jobs they have dogs and dog shows and dog things and a life on top of that. When they have a chance, if the email was worthy of a reply they will get back to you, that's if the spam filter didn't filter out the email.


While I'm sorry you feel as though you haven't been dealt with appropriately, it's really hard to read nuances via type.


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