Originally Posted by ScoobyDobieDoo View Post
Wow, I had no idea it was that bad and widespread. I didn't mention anything about Betelges because I had already read the threads on them
Like I said, I'm still months away from deciding anything and I might even decide ultimately to not get a Doberman at all. But right now, Eastern Europe is a backup plan for me. I really like some UK dogs I'm seeing and I feel more comfortable buying an animal in the first world (no offense to anyone! I know great people in less developed countries).
As for why I might seem less interested in American Euro breeders, I really don't want a working dog and that's what most American euro breeders seem to work towards. I actually just immediately lose interest if I see anything like IPO3.
Other than the great fat heads on Euros, I am interested in their temperament. I'd probably like a pup with a lower drive but I think a Doberman's temperament is more than just their drive. My ideal dog would be exceptionally brave, fearless and confident. From what I have read European dobermans exhibit this more.
Again, this is all based on second-hand knowledge and my experience with my uncle's imported Doberman when I was a kid, so I'm open to hearing other opinions. But confidence and fearlessness are very important to me because I think a fearful doberman is a dangerous doberman. I know a lot of this comes down to training. But I ideally want a dog who will be aware of someone walking up behind it on the street but confident enough not to be afraid that someone is behind them. And I think that describes the doberman perfectly.
Bold mine. You are vastly misinformed. First, you should meet my puppy. She's 6 months old, and is absolutely fearless. She is insanely confident. All American lines. The world belongs to her.
Second, meet my four year old, again, American lines. Working aptitude certified, several Nosework titles, participates in agility (almost ready to trial), lure coursing titled...incredibly confident.
You're right...a fearful Doberman is a liability. But a well-bred Doberman, whether European OR American, should NOT be fearful. If you are seeing fearful dogs, those are poorly bred dogs, or breeders/lines you should avoid. Careful research is always important. You can absolutely get what you want here in the US, along with strong breeder support, which I personally think is absolutely critical to someone new to the breed.
If you are in the US, and this is your first Doberman, I think you'd be better served finding a good, ethical American line breeder, because they will match you with the right dog for you, and be far more available to support you through puppyhood (and beyond). There's no reason you can't get the exact type of dog you describe right here. I'm not saying that to be anti-Euro, either, but I don't think someone new to the breed is equipped to do the proper research and screening to weed out the poor breeders in Europe who are quite clearly not going to send you the best of their dogs (if you can even land on an ethical breeder there).