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Old 05-14-2009, 09:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am overwhelmed in trying to research a good breeder in Ontario. Does anyone have any suggestions on reputable breeders in Ontario.

Is it a bad sign for a breeder to not have all their litter sold before they are born? Maybe it seems like a strange question however it seems that way to me.

Any specific opinion on Garshangan Dobermans?

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Hi from CT. I hope it is not a bad sign that a breeder doesn't have ALL their pups sold before they are born. The breeder I am getting my pup from did not have all his pups sold prior to their birth. Can't help you with breeders in Ontario but I am sure others will chime in with that info. There is also a Recommended Breeders thread that might be helpful. Good luck.
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I am overwhelmed in trying to research a good breeder in Ontario. Does anyone have any suggestions on reputable breeders in Ontario.

Is it a bad sign for a breeder to not have all their litter sold before they are born? Maybe it seems like a strange question however it seems that way to me.

Any specific opinion on Garshangan Dobermans?

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Also, you might want to try the DPCC site: Doberman Pinscher Club of Canada - HOME
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There are only 5 pups in the litter that you saw today. Three out of five were spoken for before they were born. The are only 3 1/2 weeks old.

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I think there is an argument both ways. But my own thought is (a) I want to keep something from my litter, the best one of course *grin* Since I don't have a revolving door of litters (although it sure seems so the last year LOL) I would not want to take 10 deposits and only have 6 pups. 5 people would be disappointed....(i'm keeping one at least). 5 people that would have waited and now have to either wait longer for their pup.
I think if you have pups all the time, or regularly plan litters it is easier to take a deposit because you know if your black male isn't in the litter in May, it likely will be in the June litter. That is a whole other series of questions though, like how many litters is too many...
I think you need to look at the breeder and decide if you agree with their breeding philosophies, and if you like their dogs, and them. Some people just want to buy a dog and go on about their life, they don't want a close relationship. Some breeders demand constant interaction - such as pictures at certain times of their life, and requirements to do specific health testing.
If you were lucky enough to find someone who has a litter on the ground with pups available, and you have done your research, that shouldn't stop you ... you should consider yourself lucky :-)
Edited to add that I can think of 3 litters this year alone where lots of deposits were taken, yet only anywhere from 1 pup or no pups were born. Those people have already waited 3 or 4 months or longer....and now will have to start again.
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I don't like to take a lot of reservation for pups, I don't have a crystal ball that tells me exactly what there will be. As for Garshangan, I know they health test, carefully plan their breedings, rescue (even from other people's breeding), do obedience, have dogs with nice temperaments.
honestly there are some good breeders in Ontario, a smart consumer does look at more than one option and goes with what suits them best.
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Is it a bad sign for a breeder to not have all their litter sold before they are born? Maybe it seems like a strange question however it seems that way to me.
Since good and experienced show or performance homes don't grow on trees, the only way to have all of the litter sold before they are born is to sell all of them as family pets. We do not take deposits from people before we know what we have so most times we have a waiting list, but do not have any of them actually sold before they are born. The problem is most people won't wait and will buy the first dog they find, so the waiting list usually dwindles.

Since we primarily breed for show and performance, the litter needs to be evaluated for these qualities before we know what we have. It is alot more important to us that we have the right puppy in the right home than how fast we can sell them. However, if say for example, we have 5 black bitches, it is unlikely that all of them will be show or performance prospects, so we may take reservations for 2 of them as pets.

Because we do not get in a hurry, we frequantly have puppies around longer than some. Right now we have a couple of 3 month olds from an outstanding pedigree that I was holding for show or performance homes, but they have not materialized so I am now looking for family pet homes so that I can spend my time developing the bitch we are keeping.

I know that there are several quality breeders in your area. As with anywhere, there are also many fast buck artists. Just keeping looking. You will find the quality breeders if you take your time, don't get in a hurry, and don't buy into anything that does not seem right.
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Doug now I have to ask about your current pups. Who are they out of??
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I don't think you are supposed to advertise dogs for sale on this forum and that is not my intention. They are listed on our website.
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Oh all right, I'll go look it up myself.
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I have 2 female dobies from Garshangan. I am very happy with my girls. Garshangan health tests all their dobies.

Many puppy buyers are in contact with Garshangan for many years since the puppy buyer is always welcommed to ask any questions from training to how much to feed the pup throughout the live of their pet and longer.

Garshangan makes you feel part of the family.

In regards to having a litter sold before it is born it is almost impossible since you don't know how many pups, sex, and color the pups are. Many buyers are specific what sex and color they prefer. I know that Garshangan does not take any deposits until the litter is on the ground.
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Since good and experienced show or performance homes don't grow on trees, the only way to have all of the litter sold before they are born is to sell all of them as family pets. We do not take deposits from people before we know what we have so most times we have a waiting list, but do not have any of them actually sold before they are born. The problem is most people won't wait and will buy the first dog they find, so the waiting list usually dwindles.

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Because we do not get in a hurry, we frequantly have puppies around longer than some. Right now we have a couple of 3 month olds from an outstanding pedigree that I was holding for show or performance homes, but they have not materialized so I am now looking for family pet homes so that I can spend my time developing the bitch we are keeping.

I know that there are several quality breeders in your area. As with anywhere, there are also many fast buck artists. Just keeping looking. You will find the quality breeders if you take your time, don't get in a hurry, and don't buy into anything that does not seem right.
Exactly. It's funny how many people think that just because you keep a pup to grow out that that makes it the "last" to be chosen..... Actually, it should be reversed. When you think the breeder (hopefully) is keeping back a few pups to grow out, the one they are placing, if it is a bit older, is likely a very nice pup, with only a small thing differentiating between the pups and so you are actually getting a great pup, where one of the first ones to go wasn't even being considered....if that made any sense.
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Exactly. It's funny how many people think that just because you keep a pup to grow out that that makes it the "last" to be chosen..... Actually, it should be reversed. When you think the breeder (hopefully) is keeping back a few pups to grow out, the one they are placing, if it is a bit older, is likely a very nice pup, with only a small thing differentiating between the pups and so you are actually getting a great pup, where one of the first ones to go wasn't even being considered....if that made any sense.
Depends on the breeder, of course, but for the most part, I agree. Certainly, with some breeders, they just couldn't sell the puppy and it's a leftover. With others, they are growing them out and trying to make a decision.

I had a litter last June. I was having a terrible time making a decision between 2 boys. The one had a fabulous front, which I could really use in a breeding program. However, there were other things I didn't like about him and I had to weigh that front against his own other considerations and also against the brother that I liked better overall. I finally let that good front boy go at the beginning of December, so he was the last of his litter to go that was going to go.

He's in a great obedience home and he's going to be competing in his first obedience match on the 31st when he's still a tender 11 months old. Considering he's only been with them for 6 months, what a great accomplishment.
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Depends on the breeder, of course, but for the most part, I agree. Certainly, with some breeders, they just couldn't sell the puppy and it's a leftover. With others, they are growing them out and trying to make a decision.

I had a litter last June. I was having a terrible time making a decision between 2 boys. The one had a fabulous front, which I could really use in a breeding program. However, there were other things I didn't like about him and I had to weigh that front against his own other considerations and also against the brother that I liked better overall. I finally let that good front boy go at the beginning of December, so he was the last of his litter to go that was going to go.

He's in a great obedience home and he's going to be competing in his first obedience match on the 31st when he's still a tender 11 months old. Considering he's only been with them for 6 months, what a great accomplishment.
That sounds so harsh "leftover" ....:-(
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There are only 5 pups in the litter that you saw today. Three out of five were spoken for before they were born. The are only 3 1/2 weeks old.
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The pups that I saw were absolutely gorgeous. No offense was meant by my comments. As a newbie it is beneficial for me to ask questions from others with experience other thank just relying on what a breeder tells me.

Obviously you have a good reputation on this forum and that says a great deal to me.
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Are you looking for specific attributes in a pup? Work, Sport, OB trails, Agility, Companion for family, Show ? Von.
I am really looking for a companion dog however I would purchase a show dog if I can find a breeder who is willing to show him/her for me. I would also be interested in agility.
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Has anybody purchased a doberman puppy from Ravens Guard Kennel in Alliston, Ontatio?

I am looking to purchase a pup from ravens guard kennel. Search Ravensguardkennel on google for their website.

I cannot find any reviews what so ever on this breeder. This breeder is located in Alliston, Ontario and have recently bred one of their females with a male imported from Hungary by bodyguardk9.com... A breeder located in Mississauga.

I am interested in any feedback at all. I would really appreciate it.

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From what I've heard of bodyguardk9, I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole.

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I am looking to purchase a pup from ravens guard kennel. Search Ravensguardkennel on google for their website.

I cannot find any reviews what so ever on this breeder. This breeder is located in Alliston, Ontario and have recently bred one of their females with a male imported from Hungary by bodyguardk9.com... A breeder located in Mississauga.

I am interested in any feedback at all. I would really appreciate it.

Thanks a lot.
Just from looking at their website I would avoid them. I see absolutely no mention anywhere of titling or health testing (although to be fair I just did a pretty quick look over of the site). Not a breeder I would be going to, I've also heard some pretty iffy stuff about the vet they use for ear cropping (butchered crops etc).
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Hello everybody,
I am new on this forum.I live in Ottawa,Ontario and i want to buy a puppy.I've searched a lot of breeders here in Ontario and i am going to visit the ''Nothing to hide'' in Athens,ON and the ''Christine Bartram-Galarneau"in Vars,Ottawa Ontario.Both of them are much closer to me too.I just wonder if anybody has bought a puppy from these Breeders or does anybody have any feedback?

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ontario breeder Nothintohide

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