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All Black Dobermans?

There is a lady in Greensboro, NC that says she is the original "dog whisperer" and breeding from an all black Doberman. She claims that an all Black is a superior color and is asking $1800 a pup. I didn't think all black would be desirable for a breeding program. Any thoughts?

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I think it's just as pitiful as breeding albinos and oversized dogs... But I guess there's an uneducated naive buyer for everything
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lol. some people will do anything to make a buck. Gotta love the sales pitch though. She's an original something that's for sure...

It, like the albino, is a mutation of the colour gene. NOT desirable nor anything to be proud of IMO.


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If she is referring to a line of only #1 Black and Tans. I would love to see them. If she is referring to an all black Dobe with no tan markings, well, that is not a Doberman.

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If she is referring to a line of only #1 Black and Tans. I would love to see them. If she is referring to an all black Dobe with no tan markings, well, that is not a Doberman.
It is probably a melanistic Doberman. The rust is masked and is black instead. In the sunlight, you can see the areas where the rust markings would be. I've met a few melanistic Dobermans in rescue. I believe it is an autosomal dominant trait in this breed.


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If she is referring to a line of only #1 Black and Tans. I would love to see them. If she is referring to an all black Dobe with no tan markings, well, that is not a Doberman.
When I called to inquire she said it was all black because it takes after the Great Danes from when the Dobie was created. I thought that was ridiculous. Then she said the darker the color the more desirable. Huh? Great Dane...no rust, all black...??? $1800??? She said they are AKC registered. She was quite arrogant about it.....

Worse, what if she breeds her all black to an albino---wonder what that would look like??? From the conversation I had with her, I wouldn't be surprised! Bet she'd charge a fortune for those!


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I tryed googling and I can't find a pic of an all black dobe...I wanna see one, can anyone direct me to a link? I couldn't find any pics on her site either...it sure doesn't sound normal, especially since I can't even find a pic...I don't think they would look very attractive either IMO.

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Agree with Kristen, IDR has gotten a few all blacks in.


This is her album, one of her dogs....Look at those ears on Flickr - Photo Sharing!


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all black to an albino would be black.

but regardless... dobermans are supposed to have tan markings..not be a single colour.

And.. I cannot think of a single time I've seen an all black dane.

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Black Danes are common enough.

Also, a black Doberman (which could be a #2,#3 or #4) bred to an albino won't necessarily have just black puppies. The albino, having the masking gene, could be any of the 9 coat genotypes. That combination could produce just about anything.

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Just saw this:

The puppies arrived in June, Both dobes and schnauzers. We will be posting photos soon on Flickr (see link at left). All puppies seem to be doing fine, The dobes will need their ears clipped, vaccinations etc. Letís go over what it takes to put up a dobe for sale and possibly have it shipped.

Several trips to the vet, weening puppies from mother. Lots of love from the trainer/breeder. Socialization with the other pups and the rest of the pack.


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Think she needs to read here what really goes into put a Dobie for sale from responsible breeders? Wonder what the health and temperament tests are?

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I was implying that they likely wouldn't be albino..

anywho..even so.. they shouldn't be all black.

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The chance to correct a geneticist was just too great to pass up! LOL :-)

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Melanism

Melanism is an increased amount of black or nearly black pigmentation (as of skin, feathers, or hair) of an organism, resulting from the presence of melanin. It is the opposite of Leucism and albinism which occurs due to lack of melanin. More technically, it refers to a phenotype in which the pigmentation of an organism is entirely, or nearly entirely, expressed.

I would avoid a breeder that would breed a dog with this issue.
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The chance to correct a geneticist was just too great to pass up! LOL :-)
ahhh but she's a genocidest don'tcha know! lol


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Here are pics of one of the more recent melanistic boys in rescue, Zuice (an oh-so-clever way to spell Zeus).



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Here are pics of one of the more recent melanistic boys in rescue, Zuice (an oh-so-clever way to spell Zeus).
lol, I always wanted to call him Juice.


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The chance to correct a geneticist was just too great to pass up! LOL :-)
always is!

as per another thread, i'm a "genocidist" now.. even MORE rare and well educated.. took me an extra 2 years of school for that one.

*sigh*

as someone suggested.. all black +"extra creamy fawn" = zebra stripes?

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Those Flickr photos were a study in incredibly sloppy and poor breeding, if they were "her" breedings - the heads were incorrect and inconsistent, the bitch was sway-backed, the coats weren't really great, and the gold eyes in a black dog...., and they did NOT look like happy dogs. Then that group photo at the park was priceless - an all black Dobe and a white GSD. I wouldn't send someone to "train" with her no how. She sounds like a fool.


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Those Flickr photos were a study in incredibly sloppy and poor breeding, if they were "her" breedings - the heads were incorrect and inconsistent, the bitch was sway-backed, the coats weren't really great, and the gold eyes in a black dog...., and they did NOT look like happy dogs. Then that group photo at the park was priceless - an all black Dobe and a white GSD. I wouldn't send someone to "train" with her no how. She sounds like a fool.

Not to mention, look at her bio.

Apparently raised by a hoarder--57 animals?!

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Not to mention, look at her bio.

Apparently raised by a hoarder--57 animals?!

Scary how this stuff gets passed on--on the human side of things.
No no no.. her mom had all those animals because she couldn't say 'no'...

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it is probably a melanistic doberman. The rust is masked and is black instead. In the sunlight, you can see the areas where the rust markings would be. I've met a few melanistic dobermans in rescue. I believe it is an autosomal dominant trait in this breed.
IN that picture you can see the rust trying to come through...there is nothing quite so pretty as a black dobie with rich rust markings
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