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Old 02-03-2009, 04:54 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Do you even want to know about the man? Do you judge everyone by what you hear about them? I do know Ray and have gotten two puppies from him. He does not breed often and when he does, he has a list of people that he has referenced and check out thoroughly. He does not post litters because his dogs are already spoken for when they hit the ground. Why post litters and state they are already sold? Somepeople would think was questionable. He does follow up with everyone and puts dogs he has bred on his web site when his buyers brag about them. Here is my first one> Cara Doberman Pinschers: Kira

He IS a very reputable breeder and he does not even breed a litter every year. When I wanted my puppy, I did as his web site instructed [Please see the puppy questionnaire if you are interested in a future puppy from Cara.] I contacted him in the spring of 2007 and told him what I was looking for in a dog. He kept in contact with me to tell me when he was breeding and what dogs along with a statement that there were no guarantees puppies would result. When puppies were born, he sent photos of the litter and contacted me again to be sure I still wanted one. He kept me posted on them the weeks before pick up and telephoned after I picked her up for reports. He sends all information to the puppy owner about the lines the dog is bred from, temperament testing done on the puppy plus pushes health testing.

I could go on and on. I have dealt with him first-hand and have been VERY happy with both of my CARA dogs and with their breeder.
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Talk about a knee jerk reaction. I merely asked a question regarding how many litters he produces. I also added that if a person has a website, I like to see this info posted. I have absolutely no idea how many litters, that is why I asked. I have certainly read a lot about him. I have read his articles. I mentioned I know he has produced some nice dogs. I have no personal connection to him, positive OR negative. No agenda, nothing. Period. Though it does kind of make me perplexed why someone would go ballistic at a simple question. I was not the one that suggested he be put on a list of questionable breeders, and I was not attempting to imply that he is not reputable. I even opened the door for people to explain why he should be included as a reputable breeder.
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:16 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Do you even want to know about the man? Do you judge everyone by what you hear about them? I do know Ray and have gotten two puppies from him. He does not breed often and when he does, he has a list of people that he has referenced and check out thoroughly. He does not post litters because his dogs are already spoken for when they hit the ground. Why post litters and state they are already sold? Somepeople would think was questionable. He does follow up with everyone and puts dogs he has bred on his web site when his buyers brag about them. Here is my first one> Cara Doberman Pinschers: Kira

He IS a very reputable breeder and he does not even breed a litter every year. When I wanted my puppy, I did as his web site instructed [Please see the puppy questionnaire if you are interested in a future puppy from Cara.] I contacted him in the spring of 2007 and told him what I was looking for in a dog. He kept in contact with me to tell me when he was breeding and what dogs along with a statement that there were no guarantees puppies would result. When puppies were born, he sent photos of the litter and contacted me again to be sure I still wanted one. He kept me posted on them the weeks before pick up and telephoned after I picked her up for reports. He sends all information to the puppy owner about the lines the dog is bred from, temperament testing done on the puppy plus pushes health testing.

I could go on and on. I have dealt with him first-hand and have been VERY happy with both of my CARA dogs and with their breeder.
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Personally I like the Cara dogs and think he has bred some wonderful dogs. Re his website not listing every litter....SO WHAT, I hope we don't start rating breeders on their websites! I know of very good breeders who don't even have a website. I owned a son of Ch Cara's Talon for close to 11 years and when I lost him I contacted Ray and his waiting list was very long, so I doubt he is breeding too many litters. One thing for certain he does not belong in this thread period!
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I don't think I've seen this name mentioned: Barnic Dobermans
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Oh yeah, I recently saw this website for the first time. While I applaud the fact that she puts performance titles on her dogs, that in NO WAY qualifies them for breeding. I was shocked to see what she charges for puppies:

$1000 for pets, $1500 for breeding rights, add $450 for a crop ......... for her puppies with crops and breeding rights, she charges more than I charged for puppies from my last litter - from an AKC Champion bitch with performance titles & temperment titles x a top 10 Champion dog. Really amazing!!
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I paid $3,000 for my Doberman in March of 2007 and I'm still waiting on his papers. I bought him from Elite Family Dogs (Steve and Pauline McKinnon) - They are con-artists. They tell you lies to get your money.

Everything on their site is a lie. My dog could barely control his bowels when I got him.

Definately stay away from those people... They're crooks!

I put up a site that is going to be blasted in April across the web (elitefamilydogs.net). I'm also paying to put an ad in Dog Fancy and Dog World in April... All I really want are my dogs papers... maybe this will change their minds.
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Yikes, $3000?! That's just wrong.... way too much for a puppy,espcially a sickly one from a hassle to deal with breeder who is withholding your papers.

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I paid $3,000 for my Doberman in March of 2007 and I'm still waiting on his papers. I bought him from Elite Family Dogs (Steve and Pauline McKinnon) - They are con-artists. They tell you lies to get your money.

Everything on their site is a lie. My dog could barely control his bowels when I got him.

Definately stay away from those people... They're crooks!

I put up a site that is going to be blasted in April across the web (elitefamilydogs.net). I'm also paying to put an ad in Dog Fancy and Dog World in April... All I really want are my dogs papers... maybe this will change their minds.
Dayum!! post it up in April when it comes out!
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I'm not trying to be mean here. I just took a quick look at the Elite family dog website....That site has big red flags all over it.
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OH MY GOD! This is so sad. So many lies and misinformation on that site, so many litters. Poor, poor dogs.
I feel the same about the Barnic site posted. Wow, get a few agility titles and breed the hell outta them. It all just makes me so sad.
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Um, I'm gonna have to put up Aruff Dobermans up here.

They have 3 litters on the ground right now of Dobermans, another 3 of Huskies. I check this website every so often, and I have seen them breed litter upon litter back to back, sometimes with a whelp date a day or so apart - they're also constantly selling adult dogs. Their prices are also really high, but whatever. I've also seen a tendency to breed dogs/bitches under 2 years of age.

Faith had a litter in November, and her birthdate is 4/3/07. Selling a red bitch named Aruff's Irish for $2500 on a spay contract or $4500 on a AKC full reg contract.

Aruff Dobe pups for sale

Seems the prices on the pups born in September are cheaper than the two litters in November. I can only assume it's because they haven't sold yet.

I see no titles on any of these dogs, and though there's vWD status on them, mostly all of them have "hips pending" or "hips too young." AKA, no health testing.
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Everything on their site is a lie. My dog could barely control his bowels when I got him.

Definately stay away from those people... They're crooks!

I put up a site that is going to be blasted in April across the web (elitefamilydogs.net). I'm also paying to put an ad in Dog Fancy and Dog World in April... All I really want are my dogs papers... maybe this will change their minds.


Somehow I don't feel sorry for you!!! You paid $3000 for what???
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Somehow I don't feel sorry for you!!! You paid $3000 for what???
You are so right, 3000 dollars for that, it doesn't make sense.
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Just checked out the mijnblahblahblah kennel, you are right Panama, I am scared for our breed.
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All are house babies. Indoor/Outdoor. It is there choice as they have there own doors to the house.
We all live together under one roof.Just one happy family. NO pens,kennels,chains,crates,or anything else . We do have 3 very
Big yards that we sometimes get separated in. Especially when a female is in heat. But mom also uses Shock collars.
We have been trained well. Sometimes now the collars get put on but don't even have to be turned on. There has
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Then we have to be separated. Currently Thor is staying around the corner with Dalene as he has decided that he just does not
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The females for most part get along. But Sasha is Queen and rules the Roost and does not hesitate to let anyone know it. Her
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I checked out the "= Doberman Pinchers at desert legend Big Dobermans - Our Family
and now I need to go hurl!

The BS they are spitting on that site is UNREAL!!
Things like "Q. Should I get the ears cropped? Is seems like it hurts the dog.

A. We highly recommend that you get the ears cropped. 1) This gives your dog that "Doberman" look. This warns people that you have a "Doberman" for your personal protection. 2) The ear crop protects your investment. If something changes in your life and you need to sell your dog, you will be able to get more money and sell the dog easier"

What kinda of a answer is that...dear god!

And my favorite "Q. Why should I buy a Doberman Pinscher instead of a Rottweiler, Pit Bull German Shepherd or any other big dog?"

If you even HAVE that "Q" on your website YOU AREN'T BREEDING FOR THE RIGHT REASON OR SELLING TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE!!


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Oh yeah, I recently saw this website for the first time. While I applaud the fact that she puts performance titles on her dogs, that in NO WAY qualifies them for breeding. I was shocked to see what she charges for puppies:

$1000 for pets, $1500 for breeding rights, add $450 for a crop ......... for her puppies with crops and breeding rights, she charges more than I charged for puppies from my last litter - from an AKC Champion bitch with performance titles & temperment titles x a top 10 Champion dog. Really amazing!!
Okay, don't shoot me I just have a question. What in your opinion qualifies a dog for breeding?

I'm just curious because I know of people that are happy with their dogs from Barnic and also Roadhouse. Some people just do not want a dog for the show ring. Perhaps they want a Doberman for companionship, agility, or a working dog.
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Better question, KimB what makes YOU think a dog is worthy of breeding?
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Okay, don't shoot me I just have a question. What in your opinion qualifies a dog for breeding?

I'm just curious because I know of people that are happy with their dogs from Barnic and also Roadhouse. Some people just do not want a dog for the show ring. Perhaps they want a Doberman for companionship, agility, or a working dog.
My Tess isn't a conformation show dog. She's our companion, and we're working with her in agility and also obedience. Yes, Tess' breeder does produce show-quality dogs, but IMO that's a wonderful byproduct of ethical breeding.

My definition of a responsible breeder is someone who takes the time to bring together two dogs who have good health (proven by testing), longevity (proven by pedigree), proper temperament and/or drive (proven by titles on the back end) and proper physical characteristics (proven in the show or working rings). All of this has an impact on the quality of life of your dog and the relationship you'll have with that companion. I sleep better at night knowing that my non-show girl came from a responsible breeder.
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Better question, KimB what makes YOU think a dog is worthy of breeding?
I'm just looking for an answer from the experts here on DT.

I would say first and foremost for me would be a good temperament.

What is important to you?
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