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Old 12-29-2008, 01:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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First time poster here. Does anyone know if Hartwell Kennels (Hartwell Kennels - Home) is a reputable breeder?

There is a pup there that I am interested in, but someone told me not to buy from this breeder because of the fact that they don't concentrate on breeding only dobermans (i.e. they breed GSDs, Belgians, etc.). Obviously, I am not sure what difference that makes, so I just wanted to get some input. Thanks.
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Wow..just a quick look at all those breeds...yeah, I would pass on this one.
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Oh boy, now I'm looking at the pups for sale. Ugh....where's my barf bucket? Poor pups.
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Reputable breeders do not have "breeding pairs". Most of their dogs are rather odd looking. Same goes for the puppies. I'd go to a better place for sure.
I know Pamelot in Georgia. You might look at their website.
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I would not personally buy a puppy of any breed from this place.

I think there is a "recommended breeders" thread here on DT that has breeders in GA, NC and SC on it. Check it out on the search function. Go almost to the end where there is a chart with some breeders listed by state and kennel name. I'd still call and check them all out yourself; don't just take an internet recommendation.

Get on the DPCA website and read about what makes a good breeder...what to look for. I know some breeders in GA/NC and SC but don't know if any are having litters anytime soon. You may have to wait a bit to get a pet puppy (I'm assuming you aren't wanting a show dog?) from a good breeder, but it is worth it!
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And look at the structure of that one dobe puppy with its legs all bowed out...it shouldnt be like that, way too many dogs, "breeding pairs"? Thats how they sell guppies.
That black girl is very weird looking.
I wouldnt go there either.
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First time poster here. Does anyone know if Hartwell Kennels (Hartwell Kennels - Home) is a reputable breeder?

There is a pup there that I am interested in, but someone told me not to buy from this breeder because of the fact that they don't concentrate on breeding only dobermans (i.e. they breed GSDs, Belgians, etc.). Obviously, I am not sure what difference that makes, so I just wanted to get some input. Thanks.
I wouldn't consider them a reputable breeder and I definitely wouldn't consider buying a puppy from them. Their pedigrees are a joke. I noticed one of the bitches has an albino up close in her pedigree. Even the albino free pedigrees are nothing but "pet" lines. I also noticed on one pedigree that a dog had OFA certification on elbows, but not on hips. It kind of makes you wonder WHY the hips weren't certified...one of those things that makes me go "hmm".

The reason it's not a good idea to buy a puppy from someone who sells lots and lots of different breeds is more than likely they're just making puppies to make puppies with no real knowledge of the breeds or the lines they're working with. It can take YEARS to acquire enough knowledge to even breed one breed well, the odds of someone being able to do that with multiple breeds are pretty low.
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Thanks for the advice. I'm being very careful. I also found:

Show and Pet Quality Tokendobes Doberman - Available Pups

The 13 week old there is of interest to me.

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I would not personally buy a puppy of any breed from this place.

I think there is a "recommended breeders" thread here on DT that has breeders in GA, NC and SC on it. Check it out on the search function. Go almost to the end where there is a chart with some breeders listed by state and kennel name. I'd still call and check them all out yourself; don't just take an internet recommendation.

Get on the DPCA website and read about what makes a good breeder...what to look for. I know some breeders in GA/NC and SC but don't know if any are having litters anytime soon. You may have to wait a bit to get a pet puppy (I'm assuming you aren't wanting a show dog?) from a good breeder, but it is worth it!
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Wow you guys have taught me well. I can actually see what is wrong with the pups. Tail too low set, back end too rounded, dip in back (instead of slope), like a broke down horse. I still can't do legs, head and neck. I only know the traits I mentioned because the same ones are wrong with my boy (I still think he is the most beautiful dog in the world though).
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First time poster here. Does anyone know if Hartwell Kennels (Hartwell Kennels - Home) is a reputable breeder?

There is a pup there that I am interested in, but someone told me not to buy from this breeder because of the fact that they don't concentrate on breeding only dobermans (i.e. they breed GSDs, Belgians, etc.). Obviously, I am not sure what difference that makes, so I just wanted to get some input. Thanks.
Ok Detective... let's start here. Welcome to the forum. Good for you for doing your research.

Now, have you thought about what EXACTLY you want in a new dog? Do you want a male/female, black/red, American/European? Have you thought about what EXACTLY what you want from your new dog? Will you want a pet only, conformation show prospect, Schutzhund prospect, Personal Protection prospect, agility prospect? These are the most important questions that will lead you where to look.

Now, for the potential breeder...
It is weird the pricing of Dobermans. It seems that they range from the bottom of the barrel (in quality and health) at 500 bucks to the outrageous (and not titled or health tested either) 4000 bucks. My advice, look to spend about 1200-2000 for a decent pup. The parents (both of them!) should be titled in a venue that interestes YOU (i.e. don't go to the 100% working breeders if you want a show dog). Also, the parents (both of them!) should be fully health tested. Now different people will say as to what "fully health tested" means. To me, at a MINIMUM, hips, heart, vWD. The other stuff is also important, but is icing on the cake for me personally.

Good luck in your search!

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Neither of the breeders you listed would be where I would look. The first one... yuck, the second never mentions health testing.
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The DPCA listed the second breeder, so I assumed it was a reputable breeder. You're right, there is no mention of health testing, so I will have to inquire with htem about testing.

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Ok Detective... let's start here. Welcome to the forum. Good for you for doing your research.

Now, have you thought about what EXACTLY you want in a new dog? Do you want a male/female, black/red, American/European? Have you thought about what EXACTLY what you want from your new dog? Will you want a pet only, conformation show prospect, Schutzhund prospect, Personal Protection prospect, agility prospect? These are the most important questions that will lead you where to look.

Now, for the potential breeder...
It is weird the pricing of Dobermans. It seems that they range from the bottom of the barrel (in quality and health) at 500 bucks to the outrageous (and not titled or health tested either) 4000 bucks. My advice, look to spend about 1200-2000 for a decent pup. The parents (both of them!) should be titled in a venue that interestes YOU (i.e. don't go to the 100% working breeders if you want a show dog). Also, the parents (both of them!) should be fully health tested. Now different people will say as to what "fully health tested" means. To me, at a MINIMUM, hips, heart, vWD. The other stuff is also important, but is icing on the cake for me personally.

Good luck in your search!

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Neither of the breeders you listed would be where I would look. The first one... yuck, the second never mentions health testing.
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Thanks for the advice. I'm being very careful. I also found:

Show and Pet Quality Tokendobes Doberman - Available Pups

The 13 week old there is of interest to me.
Not the look I like really in the two older puppies....I'd personally keep looking. (Can't really judge anything about the red pup since she is facing the camera.) You can get a very well bred, well conformed pet puppy for that price range that would be better built to hold up physically over the long haul.

I'd look at Adamas, Karmabeck, Pamelot, Nova, Mikadobe if you want to stay in GA. Check them out for type of dog, health testing, titles on their dogs,. etc. As someone else said, what do you want to do with your dog?

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Unfortunately just being on the DPCA breeder list doesn't mean your are reputable. If you are a member of the DPCA, all you have to do is pay to be on the list. But this list is a good place to start. Then just be sure you ask alot of questions.
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Good lord, that Hartwell site--seven different breeds? Argh.

And poor Diamond, very unfortunate-looking bitch. I wish she could be spayed and have a nice pet home. (Sidenote--they are supposedly "trainers," but can't even put on a choke collar correctly--look at the Rosie picture.)

Agreed with all the other comments, as well.

Oh, and welcome to our new member, congrats on looking for guidance and doing lots of research before committing to a puppy.

If you're just finding puppies for sale by doing quick web searches, you will find that the less ethical breeders do A LOT of advertising and so their litters will pop up on most search engines.

Wading thru it all can be a bit of a task, but it's one well worth doing. In the end, you will hopefully have a healthy and stable minded pup, as well as you will not have given money to someone who is harming the breed and contributing to so many of the pet problems we have here in this country.
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[quote=RedFawnRising;318358](Sidenote--they are supposedly "trainers," but can't even put on a choke collar correctly--look at the Rosie picture.)

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Hahaha-I meant to mention that myself...nothing makes me snicker faster than seeing pics like that!
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Are there reputable breeders other than the ones listed on the DPCA website? I looked at the few breeders in GA and it does not look like there are any pups currently available. Forgive me for my ignorance, but I'd like to make sure I make a wise decision. Thank you.

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Unfortunately just being on the DPCA breeder list doesn't mean your are reputable. If you are a member of the DPCA, all you have to do is pay to be on the list. But this list is a good place to start. Then just be sure you ask alot of questions.
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Are there reputable breeders other than the ones listed on the DPCA website? I looked at the few breeders in GA and it does not look like there are any pups currently available. Forgive me for my ignorance, but I'd like to make sure I make a wise decision. Thank you.
It's pretty common for prospective buyers to have to be put on a waiting list for puppies-good breeders generally don't have puppies available all the time.
It's well worth the wait, tho.
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Are there reputable breeders other than the ones listed on the DPCA website? I looked at the few breeders in GA and it does not look like there are any pups currently available. Forgive me for my ignorance, but I'd like to make sure I make a wise decision. Thank you.
I have experience with Pam Dehetre of Pamelot Dobermans. You should contact her directly (her cell phone number is listed on her website) to find out what she has. I am very pleased with my girl. Ms. Dehetre has always been available to answer any and all questions and has returned my calls and e-mails promptly, even when she was out of town at dog shows. While I only have the one puppy that I recently purchased from her, I imagine that when the time comes and I am looking for another, I wouldn't hesitate to contact her for my next baby. Hope this helps.
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Run away fast from this "breeder". They are breeding z factored dogs, look at the pedigree on Diamond, she's totally z factored.
I also have a dog from Pamelot, in GA. She is a wonderful pup and Pam is always available if needed, she sent Roulette a card for her first birthday and for christmas.

Please don't support that so called breeder..........Have you considered rescue??
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Old 12-29-2008, 08:53 PM   #20 (permalink)
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First time poster here. Does anyone know if Hartwell Kennels (Hartwell Kennels - Home) is a reputable breeder?

There is a pup there that I am interested in, but someone told me not to buy from this breeder because of the fact that they don't concentrate on breeding only dobermans (i.e. they breed GSDs, Belgians, etc.). Obviously, I am not sure what difference that makes, so I just wanted to get some input. Thanks.
Definitely not. I'm from Hartwell but live in Athens now. I would never think of buying a pup from there.

if you're interested in rescue. Atlanta Doberman Pinscher Rescue
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In GA, I recommend DEMIRA DOBERMANS Home Page ....I think she is actually expecting a litter very soon.
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