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post #101 of 132 (permalink) Old 03-04-2011, 07:51 PM
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So you have trashed every breeder that has a Kimbertal line in the dogs they breed...nice! I am not a breeder, but it is sad that everyone has an opinion!!! My dog is Dax Di Altobello and Kimbertal and she is an AMAZING creature!!!! She is stunning to look at too!!!! Just because they were not 200 out of someones back yard does not make them junk!!!! Keep adding to your list.

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Onyx is a Euro Dobie out of Dax Di Altobello lines and although she is young, I am so impressed. I think that any Doberman has the potential to be good or bad..So many folks have not done the research on the breed and buy the first dog they see. Thus ending up with an out of control...ill tempered nightmare that eventually ends up in a shelter somewhere adding fuel to the fire that the breed legislation idiots need! I do not breed nor do I ever plan on breeding, but I love my Dobie! She is my constant companion.
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So you have trashed every breeder that has a Kimbertal line in the dogs they breed...nice! I am not a breeder, but it is sad that everyone has an opinion!!! My dog is Dax Di Altobello and Kimbertal and she is an AMAZING creature!!!! She is stunning to look at too!!!! Just because they were not 200 out of someones back yard does not make them junk!!!! Keep adding to your list.
What people don't understand, is that dobermans WILL be awesome, regardless of where they come from. The point is, that we choose not to support certain breeding practices. nobody hates your dog!! They hate the way the dog was bred, raised, etc.

You say she's stunning to the look... would she win a conformation title? Would she win an obedience title?
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Dogs from kimbertal also wind up in the hands of other BYBs and even BEING SOLD on EBAY

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Darabin, Cool, good for you. I bet your trip to Altobello was really neat! They put out some of the nicest Dobes.

I have a male from Betelges in Serbia, and two from Russia. Absolute best Dobermans you can possibly get, and would love to go visit and see the kennels, absolute gorgeous kennels, heck, I would live in some if these kennels. You're right, these kennels have fortunes invested in their stock and facilities, and thus, you get what you pay for, which is the best that you can get.

Someone in the thread said that it was a common thought that we should do it only for the dogs, this is her opinion. Not true, when you have this kind of money involved, no, it is a business and has to be run like one. I believe maybe she is thinking that breeders should breed for the betterment of the breed?

Kimbertal has been around for a long long time, they will have issues, as any breeder may encounter. Otherwise they put out some real nice pups. I know they import International Champion Studs for their own breedings. Yes, they do have a breeding program that produces larger amounts of good quality dogs. Last time I checked, this was not a bad thing, but actually good as it keeps good strong doberman bloodlines throughout their travels instead of these american lines that have been bred out.

While some may say that more of Kimbertals dogs end up in rescue, I haven't seen the science in that statement. From a personal experience standpoint, I find money being one of the best decision factors in placing pups. Any perspective puupy owner can tell you what you want to hear, and you can gather some basic information, maybe a call to their veterinarian. I find if you are breeding top quality dogs and they can afford the costs of really good bloodlines, then they can usually take care of the animal.

I know personally, I have a 15 month old Kimbertal female, she is from an International Champion of OD Telepa Kennels in Serbia. She sets a standard for others to follow in my crew of five. What most people don't realize is Kimbertals are not cheap in any way. My female I think was 3400.00. Do you really think she will end up in a rescue? Or, any of my guys? Yours? They are some serios investments, investments with it's advantages, such as being around such incredible Dobermans all the time.

I would have to say if there was any validity to the statement that Kimbertal may have more dogs in rescue, which I really question anyways, it would be due to the fact that they place a larger amount of pups, purely a numbers driven statement, every breeder will have a pup in rescue at some point.

Altobello puts out some really nice pups, some of the nicest in the world, they are a world reknown kennel at that. Kimbertal kennels has had a long standing relationship with Altobello and the use of their stud dogs.

My Russian females came from Sant Kreal Kennels in Madvay, Russia, two hundred miles inland from St. Petersburg, I would love to go and see. Outstanding Kennel to deal with too I might add.

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Thanks for speaking out...I guess some of these uptight older folks on here are set in their ways,lmao.
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Thanks for speaking out about why Kimbertal should be put out of business...I guess some of these educated, experienced folks on here are really speaking the truth.
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Same song, different verse.

Ah herm.

Why we dislike Kimbertal NOT AT ALL about the dogs, because it's not their fault (obvious, but they are the ones that pay the price), and instead ALL about the kennel and its practices!



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WOW - Kimbertal Bashing by the uninformed

WOW. I haven't been on here in a few years however whenever I read this garbage it makes me reply.

First, Don't ever believe anything you read on the internet. Actually, use your own mind for a change and keep it open. DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ PERIOD.

Second, Visit Kimbertal for yourself. Make up your own mind.

Third, don't believe me but hear me. I am the proud owner of Doberman number 2 from Kimbertal. If anything has ever EVER happened and I had a health related question, I have called them late at night and the owner answers and they have sent me meds, free, overnight PERIOD.

Fourth, the owner is as honest as the day is long.

Fifth, they are clean.

Sixth, they sponsored the original parvo vaccine inventor thereby saving countless canines from a cruel death.

Seventh, I will not think twice about buying another Doberman from them.

Have a nice day all you terrorists who don't know what you are talking about. Wannabe owners, visit for yourself ... I would never buy a pet without seeing it up close and personal although most breeders will ship them to you like that , including Kimbertal ... VISIT THEM ... TALK TO THE OWNER ... BRING YOUR LIST OF QUESTIONS ... BE SPECIFIC ... DO YOUR RESEARCH ...

I only wish every contractor I did business was as honest as Kimbertal owners and employees

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WOW. I haven't been on here in a few years however whenever I read this garbage it makes me reply.

First, Don't ever believe anything you read on the internet. Actually, use your own mind for a change and keep it open. DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ PERIOD.

Second, Visit Kimbertal for yourself. Make up your own mind.

Third, don't believe me but hear me. I am the proud owner of Doberman number 2 from Kimbertal. If anything has ever EVER happened and I had a health related question, I have called them late at night and the owner answers and they have sent me meds, free, overnight PERIOD.

Fourth, the owner is as honest as the day is long.

Fifth, they are clean.

Sixth, they sponsored the original parvo vaccine inventor thereby saving countless canines from a cruel death.

Seventh, I will not think twice about buying another Doberman from them.

Have a nice day all you terrorists who don't know what you are talking about. Wannabe owners, visit for yourself ... I would never buy a pet without seeing it up close and personal although most breeders will ship them to you like that , including Kimbertal ... VISIT THEM ... TALK TO THE OWNER ... BRING YOUR LIST OF QUESTIONS ... BE SPECIFIC ... DO YOUR RESEARCH ...

I only wish every contractor I did business was as honest as Kimbertal owners and employees

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Yep. You caught me. I am a wannabe owner.

I guess all the people with those pesky real life experiences with ktall that were negative are all terrorists too? And all the rescue people that get the leftovers turned in to their rescues are terrorists. Holy crap, that is a lot of terror!

To the part I bolded... yes people, DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! Talk to rescues in the area. Talk to breeders who are active in venues like showing and sport and agility and ... whatever. Ask them what they think about ktall.


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...Have a nice day all you terrorists..
Credibility = gone.



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For something to be gone, shouldn't it have been present in the first place?

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Sixth, they sponsored the original parvo vaccine inventor thereby saving countless canines from a cruel death.
Hey, believe it or not, they actually got something pretty much right! The Fort Dodge KF-11 vacccine was developed with Kimbertal.

They're still not someone I'd buy a dog from, though.


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Hey, believe it or not, they actually got something pretty much right! The Fort Dodge KF-11 vacccine was developed with Kimbertal.

They're still not someone I'd buy a dog from, though.
In a commercial operation of that size, OF COURSE they did. Can you imagine the profit loss pre parvo vaccine with the number of puppies they churn out?

Thank goodness it (the vaccine) happened, but I doubt it was for some altruistic "greater good" reason that they participated.
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what brings these one post wonders to threads initiated 4 years ago???
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Sure, lots of people are happy with their kimbertal dog - should I start listing a few of the kimbertal dogs I've seen in rescue that have been abused, dumped, starved, etc..... Kimbertal sells to anybody.

This is the kimbertal puppy I fostered 8 years ago - 21 pounds at 7 months... he was left for dead in a building in NYC... rats had chewed on him. We traced his tattoo right back to kimbertal........... he is not the only kimbertal dog that has come into rescue in horrible shape.

What kind of breeder sells to people (on a regular basis) who just walk in with a credit card and want to walk out with a puppy?? Not a good one. Their puppies cost more than a reputable breeders pet puppy....... but reputable breeders are a wee bit more picky about where their dogs end up AND don't produce for the masses.

I'm not saying that you are a bad home..... but is kimbertal really the kind of breeder you want to support??


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?When you have the inventory that Ktal carries you better believe they would participate in a vaccine test. Not for the good but for their own bottom line. I remember at one point the vets were using fvrcp vaccine given in two doses a couple of weeks apart to try to get some/any resistance to parvo.
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?When you have the inventory that Ktal carries you better believe they would participate in a vaccine test. Not for the good but for their own bottom line. I remember at one point the vets were using fvrcp vaccine given in two doses a couple of weeks apart to try to get some/any resistance to parvo.
Hey, I never said they did it out of the goodness of their hearts. I'm sure it was purely to not keep losing the volume of inventory they were. I was just pointing out that this particular one-post-wonder actually did get one fact pretty much straight.


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Hey, I never said they did it out of the goodness of their hearts. I'm sure it was purely to not keep losing the volume of inventory they were. I was just pointing out that this particular one-post-wonder actually did get one fact pretty much straight.
Which is kinda odd... How many of us "non ktal" folks knew that? How many ktal buyers know that? Do we have a rouge researcher, or maybe Ktal has graced us with their presence?

Please please please... Can we unban them and ask questions?
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Which is kinda odd... How many of us "non ktal" folks knew that? How many ktal buyers know that? Do we have a rouge researcher, or maybe Ktal has graced us with their presence?

Please please please... Can we unban them and ask questions?
I was working for a vet when Fort Dodge came out with the KF-11 vaccine. However, K'tal does mention it on their website. I was googling to make sure I remembered my facts correctly, and that was one of the things that came up.


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If anything has ever EVER happened and I had a health related question, I have called them late at night and the owner answers and they have sent me meds, free, overnight PERIOD.
Is this even legal?

I'd be a little wary of anyone who would just send me "meds" without ever having seen my dog. I mean, a veterinarian doing that would be weird, barring refills or recurring issues that are always treated the same way, which naturally a fine, healthy Kimbertal dog would never have.




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I would think that dispensing drugs without a dea number would be a problem. Using the US postal system to do that would be even more of one. Even online pharmacies require a script from your vet to sell certain drugs.
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...What kind of breeder sells to people (on a regular basis) who just walk in with a credit card and want to walk out with a puppy?? Not a good one. Their puppies cost more than a reputable breeders pet puppy....... but reputable breeders are a wee bit more picky about where their dogs end up AND don't produce for the masses...
That was a horrific case, and I'm glad you shared his story and photo again.

I just also wanted to mention all the poor dogs that end up living with absolute dumbf*cks who slap down their plastic and walk away with a Kimbertal puppy.

I've seen so many come thru rescue so messed in the head, because they spent their most formative months in the hands of complete idiots who should never have been sold any puppy, much less a Doberman puppy.

Cretins who passed the lowest of low "screening" processes, which is, simply, "Card accepted," or " Card declined."

Some of these dogs, with proper rehab and training, are resilient and bounce back and have some quality of life; some sort of remain special needs fruitloopy and really can't be placed.

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Is this even legal?

I'd be a little wary of anyone who would just send me "meds" without ever having seen my dog. I mean, a veterinarian doing that would be weird, barring refills or recurring issues that are always treated the same way, which naturally a fine, healthy Kimbertal dog would never have.
Of course it's not legal.

But it speaks very effectively to Kimbertal's particular demographic, with the added bonus for Mr. Yarnell that no vet gets to see what is really going on for followup with those particular dogs purchased from Ktal.

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