Originally Posted by nikcrown3

So you have trashed every breeder that has a Kimbertal line in the dogs they breed...nice! I am not a breeder, but it is sad that everyone has an opinion!!! My dog is Dax Di Altobello and Kimbertal and she is an AMAZING creature!!!! She is stunning to look at too!!!! Just because they were not 200 out of someones back yard does not make them junk!!!! Keep adding to your list.

Originally Posted by nikcrown3

Onyx is a Euro Dobie out of Dax Di Altobello lines and although she is young, I am so impressed. I think that any Doberman has the potential to be good or bad..So many folks have not done the research on the breed and buy the first dog they see. Thus ending up with an out of control...ill tempered nightmare that eventually ends up in a shelter somewhere adding fuel to the fire that the breed legislation idiots need! I do not breed nor do I ever plan on breeding, but I love my Dobie! She is my constant companion.

Originally Posted by nikcrown3

So you have trashed every breeder that has a Kimbertal line in the dogs they breed...nice! I am not a breeder, but it is sad that everyone has an opinion!!! My dog is Dax Di Altobello and Kimbertal and she is an AMAZING creature!!!! She is stunning to look at too!!!! Just because they were not 200 out of someones back yard does not make them junk!!!! Keep adding to your list.

Originally Posted by mrlynn

Darabin, Cool, good for you. I bet your trip to Altobello was really neat! They put out some of the nicest Dobes.

I have a male from Betelges in Serbia, and two from Russia. Absolute best Dobermans you can possibly get, and would love to go visit and see the kennels, absolute gorgeous kennels, heck, I would live in some if these kennels. You're right, these kennels have fortunes invested in their stock and facilities, and thus, you get what you pay for, which is the best that you can get.

Someone in the thread said that it was a common thought that we should do it only for the dogs, this is her opinion. Not true, when you have this kind of money involved, no, it is a business and has to be run like one. I believe maybe she is thinking that breeders should breed for the betterment of the breed?

Kimbertal has been around for a long long time, they will have issues, as any breeder may encounter. Otherwise they put out some real nice pups. I know they import International Champion Studs for their own breedings. Yes, they do have a breeding program that produces larger amounts of good quality dogs. Last time I checked, this was not a bad thing, but actually good as it keeps good strong doberman bloodlines throughout their travels instead of these american lines that have been bred out.

While some may say that more of Kimbertals dogs end up in rescue, I haven't seen the science in that statement. From a personal experience standpoint, I find money being one of the best decision factors in placing pups. Any perspective puupy owner can tell you what you want to hear, and you can gather some basic information, maybe a call to their veterinarian. I find if you are breeding top quality dogs and they can afford the costs of really good bloodlines, then they can usually take care of the animal.

I know personally, I have a 15 month old Kimbertal female, she is from an International Champion of OD Telepa Kennels in Serbia. She sets a standard for others to follow in my crew of five. What most people don't realize is Kimbertals are not cheap in any way. My female I think was 3400.00. Do you really think she will end up in a rescue? Or, any of my guys? Yours? They are some serios investments, investments with it's advantages, such as being around such incredible Dobermans all the time.

I would have to say if there was any validity to the statement that Kimbertal may have more dogs in rescue, which I really question anyways, it would be due to the fact that they place a larger amount of pups, purely a numbers driven statement, every breeder will have a pup in rescue at some point.

Altobello puts out some really nice pups, some of the nicest in the world, they are a world reknown kennel at that. Kimbertal kennels has had a long standing relationship with Altobello and the use of their stud dogs.

My Russian females came from Sant Kreal Kennels in Madvay, Russia, two hundred miles inland from St. Petersburg, I would love to go and see. Outstanding Kennel to deal with too I might add.

Lynn

Originally Posted by Dvrkennels

Thanks for speaking out about why Kimbertal should be put out of business...I guess some of these educated, experienced folks on here are really speaking the truth.

Originally Posted by ChrisTom

WOW. I haven't been on here in a few years however whenever I read this garbage it makes me reply.

First, Don't ever believe anything you read on the internet. Actually, use your own mind for a change and keep it open. DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ PERIOD.

Second, Visit Kimbertal for yourself. Make up your own mind.

Third, don't believe me but hear me. I am the proud owner of Doberman number 2 from Kimbertal. If anything has ever EVER happened and I had a health related question, I have called them late at night and the owner answers and they have sent me meds, free, overnight PERIOD.

Fourth, the owner is as honest as the day is long.

Fifth, they are clean.

Sixth, they sponsored the original parvo vaccine inventor thereby saving countless canines from a cruel death.

Seventh, I will not think twice about buying another Doberman from them.

Have a nice day all you terrorists who don't know what you are talking about. Wannabe owners, visit for yourself ... I would never buy a pet without seeing it up close and personal although most breeders will ship them to you like that , including Kimbertal ... VISIT THEM ... TALK TO THE OWNER ... BRING YOUR LIST OF QUESTIONS ... BE SPECIFIC ... DO YOUR RESEARCH ...

I only wish every contractor I did business was as honest as Kimbertal owners and employees

Sincerely,

Pete

Originally Posted by ChrisTom

...Have a nice day all you terrorists..

Originally Posted by PatchworkRobot

Credibility = gone.

Originally Posted by monicaei

For something to be gone, shouldn't it have been present in the first place?

Helluva first post...

Originally Posted by ChrisTom

Sixth, they sponsored the original parvo vaccine inventor thereby saving countless canines from a cruel death.

Originally Posted by Rosemary

Hey, believe it or not, they actually got something pretty much right! The Fort Dodge KF-11 vacccine was developed with Kimbertal.

They're still not someone I'd buy a dog from, though.

Originally Posted by Fitzmar Dobermans

Originally Posted by VZ-Doberman

?When you have the inventory that Ktal carries you better believe they would participate in a vaccine test. Not for the good but for their own bottom line. I remember at one point the vets were using fvrcp vaccine given in two doses a couple of weeks apart to try to get some/any resistance to parvo.

Originally Posted by Rosemary

Hey, I never said they did it out of the goodness of their hearts. I'm sure it was purely to not keep losing the volume of inventory they were. I was just pointing out that this particular one-post-wonder actually did get one fact pretty much straight.

Originally Posted by monicaei

Which is kinda odd... How many of us "non ktal" folks knew that? How many ktal buyers know that? Do we have a rouge researcher, or maybe Ktal has graced us with their presence?

Please please please... Can we unban them and ask questions?

Originally Posted by ChrisTom

If anything has ever EVER happened and I had a health related question, I have called them late at night and the owner answers and they have sent me meds, free, overnight PERIOD.

Originally Posted by Fitzmar Dobermans

...What kind of breeder sells to people (on a regular basis) who just walk in with a credit card and want to walk out with a puppy?? Not a good one. Their puppies cost more than a reputable breeders pet puppy....... but reputable breeders are a wee bit more picky about where their dogs end up AND don't produce for the masses...

Originally Posted by Brianne29

Is this even legal?

I'd be a little wary of anyone who would just send me "meds" without ever having seen my dog. I mean, a veterinarian doing that would be weird, barring refills or recurring issues that are always treated the same way, which naturally a fine, healthy Kimbertal dog would never have.