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Doberman Mating(?)

Hello everyone,

First of, I am new in this forum and after i searched it for a kinda long time, i decided to post my question here, if I am wrong please let me know.

Okay so, its the first time I own a dobermann and i'd like to know how can I understand when I could find a dog for mating. For example, will my female show me signs or anything, that could make me understand its her period for mating? Or is there a standard period for mating?

Thanks for you help, appreciated!
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First off, why do you want to breed her? Is she titled? Fully health tested? Worthy of being bred? Does her breeder know, and is she on a full or limited registration? (I'm guessing no to all of these things, but trying to give the benefit of the doubt). If not, she should not be bred, and this forum will not support backyard breeding.

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When you have a bitch that is titled and fully health tested, at least 2 years old, and have an experienced mentor in the breed to help you though it... that MIGHT be when you could find a dog for your female.

If you do not wish to do any of that, you may want to re-read the forum's manifesto.


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Hello everyone,

First of, I am new in this forum and after i searched it for a kinda long time, i decided to post my question here, if I am wrong please let me know.

Okay so, its the first time I own a dobermann and i'd like to know how can I understand when I could find a dog for mating. For example, will my female show me signs or anything, that could make me understand its her period for mating? Or is there a standard period for mating?

Thanks for you help, appreciated!
Hi, welcome to DT.

Where are you from?

The questions you are asking reveal your level of dog knowledge as very, very novice, no offense intended--just a statement of fact.

Unfortunately, lots of novice folks seem to think breeding Dobermans is a simple task--get a couple questions answered, find an animal of the opposite sex, and let Mother Nature take its course.

The problem is, because of all the temperament, health, and structural problems in our breed, only certain animals really should even be considered, for passing on their genes to the next generation.

If you add to that, the fact there really aren't enough good homes for the existing Dobermans--so many of them are homeless and in kill shelters, or with rescue groups anyway--then you are going to get some negative reactions to your "mating" questions.

^^^By way of explaining why, to you.

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Hi, welcome to DT.

Where are you from?

The questions you are asking reveal your level of dog knowledge as very, very novice, no offense intended--just a statement of fact.

Unfortunately, lots of novice folks seem to think breeding Dobermans is a simple task--get a couple questions answered, find an animal of the opposite sex, and let Mother Nature take its course.

The problem is, because of all the temperament, health, and structural problems in our breed, only certain animals really should even be considered, for passing on their genes to the next generation.

If you add to that, the fact there really aren't enough good homes for the existing Dobermans--so many of them are homeless and in kill shelters, or with rescue groups anyway--then you are going to get some negative reactions to your "mating" questions.

^^^By way of explaining why, to you.
Seems like you're the only one that understood me. I am not that new in dogs, but I don't know that much as some other people know, about Dobermans. My previous dog was a pitbull, and there's no relations between these two breeds. This is why I am asking all you in here. I am trying to learn at the momment. My dog is a puppy yet, only 9 months and wherever I asked they didn't know, about mating. She's full healthy and has no problems, I read about dobermans disease and dangers and I tested her, so as I am sure she's full healthy, I decided to learn more about mating.
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Seems like you're the only one that understood me. I am not that new in dogs, but I don't know that much as some other people know, about Dobermans. My previous dog was a pitbull, and there's no relations between these two breeds. This is why I am asking all you in here. I am trying to learn at the momment. My dog is a puppy yet, only 9 months and wherever I asked they didn't know, about mating. She's full healthy and has no problems, I read about dobermans disease and dangers and I tested her, so as I am sure she's full healthy, I decided to learn more about mating.
Unfortunately there is no way to be sure that she is completely healthy at only 9 months. Many tests can only be done at 2 years old.

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I don't want to breed her now, I just want to know more about breeding, because everything on tests went good so far.
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Seems like you're the only one that understood me. I am not that new in dogs, but I don't know that much as some other people know, about Dobermans. My previous dog was a pitbull, and there's no relations between these two breeds. This is why I am asking all you in here. I am trying to learn at the momment. My dog is a puppy yet, only 9 months and wherever I asked they didn't know, about mating. She's full healthy and has no problems, I read about dobermans disease and dangers and I tested her, so as I am sure she's full healthy, I decided to learn more about mating.
Okay, you didn't answer, about your location.

Are you in the United States?

There absolutely *is,* despite what you say, a relation between the two breeds, in that female dog anatomy is in general the same, across breeds. And you're asking specific biological questions.

But here's the thing--I doubt anyone here is going to willingly answer your questions, because then they would be enabling you in doing something most here consider inhumane and unethical.

You absolutely, 100%, CANNOT in any way, shape or form, at age nine months, know that your female Doberman is healthy and cleared for breeding.

She must be at least two years old to get her hips OFA cert'd (unless you already did the PennHip testing instead).

What were her thyroid panel results? Her liver panel results?

When did you have her eyes CERF'd?

What is her vWD status, by DNA?

At age nine months, have you already done an echocardiogram, and a 24 hour holter?

What about your bitch's parents--were all these screenings done on them? If so, what were the results?

What is the longevity in her pedigree? How many instances of deaths due to cancer? Due to CVI (Wobblers)? Due to DCM (which takes 50% of all Dobermans)?

Who have you consulted, to judge her structure, as proper to the standard, and therefore likely to produce puppies who can remain sound and healthy and athletic?

What puppy matches has she won, and over what quality of competition?

Do you begin to see how very much there is to learn?

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Ok, so you will wait. Why do you want to breed her? What health tests do you think are required for breeding? Are you willing to get a conformation/ working/ agility or obedience title prior to breeding her? What are you looking to accomplish by breeding her?

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Okay, you didn't answer, about your location.

Are you in the United States?
Sorry, I forgot about that, I am from France.

And now I see that there's indeed too many stuff to learn and work on, but I just didn't have anyone to tell me about it, in this forum I understand there's real doberman-fans/lovers.

At the momment I can't post her results on the test's she had. Tommorow or as soon as possible i'll reply with it, and have your opinion.
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There is a lot of help available on this board.It has helped us very much in owning our first Doberman. Looks like you have taken to heart the advice you have received. Hope I am right!

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If you want to breed her, and she is titled and health tested, why not talk to her breeder? (if they are reputable) Or find a reputable breeder who titles and health tests that is willing to mentor you.
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Sorry, I forgot about that, I am from France.

And now I see that there's indeed too many stuff to learn and work on, but I just didn't have anyone to tell me about it, in this forum I understand there's real doberman-fans/lovers.

At the momment I can't post her results on the test's she had. Tommorow or as soon as possible i'll reply with it, and have your opinion.
please, find a reputable breeder near you to mentor you. you need to get your bitch titled to championship in at least one venue (show her, or train her for a sport, or both), you need to run a bunch of tests (more information on that can be found here, though i'd contact the breed club in your country for more information), and once she has been proven to be in fantastic health and is over 2 years of age you might consider breeding her.

plus, it's worth researching the costs of raising a litter of puppies. they're expensive.

if you are unwilling to do this properly, please spay her and enjoy her as a pet.

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Are there any Dobermann clubs near you? If you join a club for show or for sport usually there are people that can mentor you for mating your female. I am not sure what the registration rules are in France either. You might be required to have certain tests before mating so the puppies can be registered. You will have to check.


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Greetings Tornado, Welcome to Dobermantalk.

Although they have not visited the forum in almost a year, the forum member, Bilclaire (Click to link to their profile) is also in France, and as I recall, this member owns (or has owned) several Dobermans; although, I'm not sure if they are breeding at this time or not. It might be worthwhile to connect with them (if possible), if you are interested in getting more involved in Dobermans and learning more about the breed.

There really is a lot to learn, and it's important to understand everything that must be carefully considered, prior to breeding a litter (or even planning to breed a litter). It's recommended that you develop a relationship with a knowledgeable and responsible breeder, one who could potentially become your mentor and coach.

There are email and website links on Bilclaire's profile (private messaging through the forum is probably not the best way to get in touch with them, since they have not signed in since last December). Even if they are not so active in the breed these days, perhaps they could point you towards a breed club or other Doberman enthusiasts in your area.



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Hey, Tornado--I know we have a time zone difference, but I thought you said you were returning to your thread, with the results of current health testing on your girl.

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This person has been on this forum before seeking out dogs to breed her female. Is she a troll or just a real ignorant person seeking to make money on pups? I bet her bitch has come into heat and sounds like she has no clue what tests should be done on her bitch much less what to look for in a stud...

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This person has been on this forum before seeking out dogs to breed her female. Is she a troll or just a real ignorant person seeking to make money on pups? I bet her bitch has come into heat and sounds like she has no clue what tests should be done on her bitch much less what to look for in a stud...

Get her spayed and reduce the dog population which is a better scenario if you are not showing her.
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Yeah, tell.

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I hope you have deep pockets! Titling, health testing, stud fees, prenatal care and care of puppies is very expensive if done correctly. Reputable breeders are not in it for the money and certainly don't make a profit. BYB however do make a profit but have no concern about what they have bred.

I would research Doberman health problems and perhaps your breeder can enlighten you on the effort it takes to produce healthy puppies
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