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Old 09-17-2013, 09:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Looking for recommendations on breeders

Located in the Northeast. Looking for breeders of quality doberman.

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It's hard to make recommendations without any more information.

Are you interested in just a pet? Do you care if the parents are working or show? Would you be interested in dog sports as well and which ones? Euro lines or American? etcetc...
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Welcome to DT! Sorry, where exactly are you from? Jazi's right, the more info, the better we can help! As a general tip, it is always a good idea to put together a little "puppy resume" to send out to breeders, as it looks a lot better than just: "When's your next litter".
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I am looking for pet quality. I am open to both American and/or Euro but like the sleek look of the American show doberman and therefore would prefer a breeder of such. I have an interest in agility and rally/obedience. I understand that good breeders don't breed often and really work hard to better the breed.
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There are a lot of great breeders in PA also, one I believe who is a member on here.

A good place to start is DPCA | The Doberman | Breeder Referral. I recommend doing additional research on any breeders listed however, to ensure they are in fact reputable. Good luck on your search!
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Fitzmar Dobermans is in PA and breeds what you're looking for, but I think she said somewhere that she's not planning a litter for a little while. She does have a lot of knowledge on many of the breeders in the area however and she is always very kind to me. I am also in PA and met her dog Maverick back when I was still a noob at all this, he is VERY impressive
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There are a lot of great breeders in PA also, one I believe who is a member on here.

A good place to start is DPCA | The Doberman | Breeder Referral. I recommend doing additional research on any breeders listed however, to ensure they are in fact reputable. Good luck on your search!
Since I had this link handy for another thread, this may help you as you try to evaluate breeders. Reputable breeders - for new folks

UDC Member Clubs has a list of clubs in the north east and you will see many euro and american line dobes at the various events. UDC and AKC events might be a good place for you to see some dogs and talk to current owners.

Good luck in your puppy search!
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Thank you all very much. I will keep looking through your helpful links.

Any more recommendations? I briefly saw quite a few around. I am willing to travel.
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I am looking for pet quality. I am open to both American and/or Euro but like the sleek look of the American show doberman and therefore would prefer a breeder of such. I have an interest in agility and rally/obedience. I understand that good breeders don't breed often and really work hard to better the breed.
There you go! You're right, good breeders don't breed that often, so it is a good idea to get on their waiting list months in advance! Agility and Rally-O are both super fun, and I think you'll enjoy them! Anyways, listen to the people giving breeder recommendations, they know what they're talking about!
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Thank you all very much. I will keep looking through your helpful links.

Any more recommendations? I briefly saw quite a few around. I am willing to travel.
When I first started researching Dobermans for sport, I looked at AKC obedience results and then googled all of the kennel names. Time consuming yes but hey winter is coming which means lots of time inside

If your main focus is Agility, obedience and rally, then I would look at the Agility, obedience and rally results on the AKC website, sort by breed and look at the rankings. You can also look at the other agility org websites and since you are likely close to the border, look at the Cdn. Kennel Club rankings found on Canuck Dogs: Your source for Canadian dog event information online.. Some of the Cdn dogs come from American breeders or have been sired or whelped by American bred dogs.
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Colleen at Kelview Dobermans produces beautiful show quality dogs. She's also a great handler and a fantastic person.
She fully health tests all her stock.

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I agree the DPCA breeder referral is a great place to start because you can find the breeders in your area.

Now on the above there is precious little testing we have availalbe that will prevent anything. Vwd is the only 100% certain that you can avoid producing Vwd affected which would prevent the possibility of a bleeder from Vwd at least....... Anything else is really just a guide that at the time of the breeding the test did not show any problems. They however are not predictive of the future and there in lies the challenge. Health testing can help you have a better chance but it does not prevent anything. Even the PDK4 test will not prevent cardio - it just eliminates one factor that can contribute to it.
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I have noticed that here and there a breeder on the referral has/owns/breeds(?) a vWD affected doberman. Is there a reason for this? I can only assume this is to keep what the breeder is looking for in a bloodline. I am sure they will not breed these dogs with other affected or even carriers, right?
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You have to look at the bigger picture with the breeding. Things like longevity, cardio health, absence of liver issues, etc. in the pedigree can outweigh the negatives like having a possibly Vwd affected pup. Having said that, most breeders will test each individual puppy in a litter if there's a chance some could be affected and they can be sent to pet/show homes and graded accordingly. If you make it clear that you do not want an affected puppy in the beginning hopefully the breeder can work with you if this is the right breeding for you otherwise. Good luck.
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Also remember that just because a breeder has a vWD affected dog does not mean they will (or will not) use that dog to produce more affecteds.

If they breed an affected to a clear, the "worst" thing (aaaaand the only thing) they can produce is... a carrier. Obviously carriers and clears, while not affected by vWD, can still be affected by other health problems... but that is why there is so much other health testing going on.

If they breed an affected to a carrier then both carriers and affecteds will (statistically) appear in the litter. At that point a breeder should be checking to see which of the puppies are affecteds and which are carriers.

And obviously if they breed an affected to an affected then all they can get is more affecteds. I'm not sure of any recent breedings where this was the case though. Also remember that we can draw as many punnent squares as we want but statistics are ONLY statistics and genetics rarely work in even percentages in the real world.
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Now here is my next question.

If a breeder is breeding for show quality, how often do they produce a pet quality pup? Does it just depend on the individual pups or do they know what breedings will produce more that fall into that category?

I am still researching and learning so I understand that a I have a long wait ahead of me.

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My breeder will do an evaluation of the puppies with our handler at about 7 weeks when ears are cropped. That is when it is determined which puppies will go for show homes and which for pet homes. Usually 2-3 puppies will go to show homes and the rest to pet homes.


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Now here is my next question.

If a breeder is breeding for show quality, how often do they produce a pet quality pup? Does it just depend on the individual pups or do they know what breedings will produce more that fall into that category?

I am still researching and learning so I understand that a I have a long wait ahead of me.

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just about every litter has pet quality dogs in it.
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Welcome to the forum!

It's nice to see someone doing a bunch of research on the breed before buying, and you're asking a bunch of good questions. There's a lot of information on this site and, as you can see, a great deal of knowledgeable people.
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I completely understand what you're saying re: health testing. It does not prevent anything. But - when I brought my first doberman baby home aprox. 25 years ago ( a 'Chocolate Soldier' son ) the anticipation was that this breed would live 10-12 years - or longer. That particular dog lived to be 13 + years old. Now, quite sadly, we're grateful if they make it to eight years old. The Rauschund bitch I referred to in my post died at 4 from complications relating to thyroid cancer. Her mother died at 6 . Unfortunately, Rauschund made the decision to breed our little girl ( which she fully owned) as a two year old - with absolutely NO health testing done at all. (Even tho she had assured me ahead of time that that would be done.) This bitches beautiful little baby girl ~ who went WB at Nationals- was dead by two. I worry that soon we'll be grateful if our dobes live until they're 6 years old. Then maybe 4 ? ? ?

Health testing is what we have right now. It's not perfect- but it is something- and it is significant . As well as the DPCA longevity program. If a breeder is not willing to assume the responsibility of health testing their breeding stock- then they do not deserve to be referred to as a "responsible" breeder. Because, let's face it- the BREEDERS don't suffer. The doberman babies they produce~ and the families they become part of -do. As I stated in my post - it can be DEVASTATING.

Health testing is truly a moment in time. But, it indicates- at that moment - that that particular dog/bitch is as physically & genetically healthy as we can assure it to be. And that means a LOT. To the dogs. To the families they become part of. And to the future of this breed.




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I agree the DPCA breeder referral is a great place to start because you can find the breeders in your area.

Now on the above there is precious little testing we have availalbe that will prevent anything. Vwd is the only 100% certain that you can avoid producing Vwd affected which would prevent the possibility of a bleeder from Vwd at least....... Anything else is really just a guide that at the time of the breeding the test did not show any problems. They however are not predictive of the future and there in lies the challenge. Health testing can help you have a better chance but it does not prevent anything. Even the PDK4 test will not prevent cardio - it just eliminates one factor that can contribute to it.
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