Confused

bonzo · 06-26-2008, 09:32 AM

After spending half a day on the internet exploiting the links on Vadim's website I am a little confused. In the US you have the ADA and the UDC who operate under the wings of the FCI and IDC with some great kennels as Cara's and Vom Shlottke among others. Then on the other hand you have the DPCA which is a part of the AKC. Where without a doubt will be be some great breeders as well(I'm not familiar with them so I'm sorry if I don't know any). Now my question is: Can a breeder from one federation mate to a breeder from the other one because when looking at both standards there seems to be some differences? Also can a DPCA member show his or her dog on an FCI show? Now I hope that people don't start to make statements that this or that federation is the best that's certainly not my intention but I'm just curious about the fact that if it's possible?

MaryAndDobes · 06-26-2008, 09:37 AM

The simple answer is that people can breed their dogs to any dog they wish.

And if they go through the registration process with whichever organization, they can take part in their events.

WorkingInSTL · 06-26-2008, 10:09 AM

Oh boy. Get ready because this will make your brain hurt.

First let's start with the topic of registration. The AKC is the official FCI recognized registration body. Any dobe in teh U.S. needs to be AKC registered for the papers to have any official meaning. The DPCA is the breed club under the AKC. They breed to the AKC standard.

The UDC is the working dobermann club, and is under the AWDF (American Working Dog Federation), and was a direct result of the AKC and the DPCA taking an official stand against schutzhund and bitework. The UDC actively supports schutzhund and the FCI standard. The UDC does have a registry, but it used for tracking health, titles, etc. and holds no "official" merit. Dogs registered with the UDC are also AKC registered. UDC working titles are officially recognized by the FCI. I'm not so sure about how the conformation titles work, but I think those are officially recognized also.

I'm not sure about the ADA. I know they are an FCI rcognized org., and support the FCI standard, but I don't have any direct involvement with them so can not comment.

The main difference between the different breed clubs is pretty much their focus and what they feel is important to preserving the dobermann as a breed. I think the ADA is pretty much in line with the UDC philosophy wise, but again, I don't know for certain.

Regardless of club affiliation, the only valid registration in the U.S. is the AKC registration, so it is perfectly legitimate to breed dogs between two organizations from a registration standpoint. That being said, I don't know that it happens all that much because the focus is so polarized to opposite ends of the spectrum (the ever-present working vs. show, am. vs euro, akc vs fci standard, etc. etc.)

Personally I think the "breed politics" in this country is insane, but that's just my opinion and doesn't have any bearing on the original question. Hopefully that helped some (now I'm sure you're ready for an asprin, so I'll hush up).

**Incredibledobe** · 06-26-2008, 10:29 AM

AKC is the official registration organization like FCI.

UDC is as described except they do not support the FCI standard, they follow the AKC standard. I am a board member and this was recently made official. The DV will not recognize their breed survey as they don't adhere to the ZTP rules. they allow altered dogs to compete in the breed survey too. They show AKC style. titles are not recognized by AKC.

ADA is their own organization but maintain no registry. Their titles are officially recognized by the DV and the FCI. They hold DV recognized ZTP's in this country and are the only organization who does. They show Euro style and use only Euro judges like Daube, Becht, etc.

You can show an AKC registered dog in any organization. You can show an FCI registered dog too, but only AKC will not credit any wins or titles unless the dog is registered with them.

Hope that helps!

Rosamburg · 06-26-2008, 11:01 AM

good reply Lorna.

Murreydobe · 06-26-2008, 11:08 AM

[quote=WorkingInSTL;197119] The DPCA is the breed club under the AKC. They breed to the AKC standard.

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Just a quick correction here...the DPCA writes and holds the copyright on their breed standard, which is endorsed by the AKC.

WorkingInSTL · 06-26-2008, 11:29 AM

Thanks to all for the clarifications.

bonzo · 06-26-2008, 04:50 PM

Phoe I get the point..thanks for the reply's

CMax · 06-27-2008, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Incredibledobe

AKC is the official registration organization like FCI.

UDC is as described except they do not support the FCI standard, they follow the AKC standard. I am a board member and this was recently made official. The DV will not recognize their breed survey as they don't adhere to the ZTP rules. they allow altered dogs to compete in the breed survey too. They show AKC style. titles are not recognized by AKC.

ADA is their own organization but maintain no registry. Their titles are officially recognized by the DV and the FCI. They hold DV recognized ZTP's in this country and are the only organization who does. They show Euro style and use only Euro judges like Daube, Becht, etc.

You can show an AKC registered dog in any organization. You can show an FCI registered dog too, but only AKC will not credit any wins or titles unless the dog is registered with them.

Hope that helps!

ADA is not recognized by FCI. Only ONE (per country) MULTI-breed club with an offical registry that registers over 2000 dogs a year can be recognized by FCI. So, ADA cannot be part of FCI. BUT it is recognized by IDC.
As for other titles, ONLY AKC champion titles are recognized by the FCI countries... while AKC doesn't recognize any except of their own... kinda sucks.

WorkingInSTL · 06-27-2008, 09:53 AM

See Bonzo...even WE can get confused. Do you have a headache now ? LOL