White Cleats

No, but the AKC and CKC do. They need to take a hard line against these breeders and throw up a road block by denying registration to all dogs that come from kennels that breed Z factor. And not just the Z dogs themselves, but all of the dogs. Further, they need to convene a tribunal which looks into unethical breeding practices and where sufficient evidence is found, deny registration until the kennel in question has complied with measurable standards for an arranged period of time. Say, the first offense 3 years, the second 8 years and the third, lifetime. That would put a lot of these people out of business and if not bankrupt entirely, then it would certainly make it very tough to sell their dogs.

thea2003

That could happen, but what could and does happen, what happened with the breeder my dog is from, is that they register their dogs under a different name, they have a friend or a relative register the litters for them cuz only "they" are banned from registering the dogs.
The breeder my girl is from was banned a few years ago i beleive and still is breeding(as far as i know?)

Its one of those things that just frustrates you, there are so many ways to get around the "rules"

Some people advertise that "parents are registered but pups will not be"
that makes people go hmmm they are registered dogs that means they cant be that bad...and they are only $700, and i dont need papers anyways it is just a pet.]\



*****SORRY*** just re-read your post, that said deny registration of the dogs. my comment may be null and void now lol

White Cleats

Thea2003, yes many of the "banned" breeders will try work-arounds such as you described, but the C/AKC simply needs to watch the lines -- deny registration to dogs from specific parents, regardless of who's doing the registering. That way, it also discourages people from buying breeding stock from kennels who're being currently sanctioned. Let the sanctions follow the dogs themselves, not the breeders, kennels or owners.

And yes, you'll always get a few people who will buy a puppy that cannot be registered. You can't do anything about that. But it will cut down those numbers. And it will certainly damage the financial viability of these kennels -- and that's why they're in business in the first place. Profitability in breeding is so often on the edge of the knife -- cut business by even 50% and most of these kennels will go toe up.

Murreydobe

The DPCA has tried to get the AKC to deny registration to albinos and z factored dogs for over 30 years now..it ain't ever gonna happen.

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White Cleats

Yeah, I know. And every time I have cause to come in contact with an AKC official and bring this idea up, I get the same old tired answer. But the old guard, with their ways of thinking, have to die eventually. New blood with aggressive ideas on how to solve problems can (if they lobby) take their place. I can't help but labor under the idea of "maybe some day...".

Caelestis

If you can find someone to actually update the DPCC website, they might consider adding a page that states which members are in good standing with a line that states "While people may claim to be members in good standing of this club, only the following breeders listed below are, infact, members in good standing as of XXX date". This is different than the breeder listing page on which they pay to be advertised, since this page would not contain a link to any breeders webpages etc...

You could also have a demand letter issued from a lawyer (though any actual action would be costly and if I recall the DPCC is not for profit, yes?). Perhaps the CKC can send a letter demanding removal of any false claims to having membership of a CKC sanctioned club? Is there a CKC bylaw that prohibits false claims of being a member of a CKC sanctioned club when you are not? If so, they could take action that way.

My name is Jennifer btw... ;-)

Caelestis

Uhh....the first poster was right, "aint never gonna happen". The AKC and CKC are registering bodies, they make their profits off registrations and they are certianly not going to cut anything that represents revenue for them. Particularly when many dogs who are not conformation worthy can still be registered and shown in other AKC and CKC sanctioned events. I know it may be a but of a shock, but conformation is not the be all and end all for everyone. ;-))))

gatehouse

Hi Jennifer, thanks!
I thought the same thing, in a round about way LOL I thought we could have a separate link of members "not in good standing" LOL
However you have pointed something that's maybe been overlooked, something as simple as the CKC by-laws and how they affect a member who makes false claims on their site involving another club. This is such an easy thing to prove - you either paid your dues or you didn't - black and white, but I agree, unless you are growing money in your backyard and have buckets of it, no way no how would I ever suggest anyone go to court.....
Thanks!
Maura

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I'm confused.