Kimbertal 2 - Page 65

Kimbertalkls · 06-26-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFawnRising

Sigh. If you had read all the pages, you would see not one person ever asked you to post the tattoo info on this site.

You were simply asked to provide it to the dog's rescuer--and I hope you have now done so.

As for the reaction of the local rescues to your kennel--that speaks volumes.

It is a shame they can't deliver the message about your practices in a way the Dobe seekers can hear--many who work to help animals often lose sight of *how* to present the message.

Some of that comes from being sick of not being able to save them all, and not being able to fix stupid and stubborn.

So they lose three referrals a day because they can not be quiet. The person is going to them not us so why bother and they call us back because they have dealt with us, like Kim, know the truth and decide to get a puppy from us or watch the papers. How does this help the rescue or the dogs? I think they need better phone people so the dogs get adopted and not people like some on here who chase posters away.

DLS · 06-26-2008, 06:29 PM

Better phone people........maybe. Less unwanted dogs to deal with..............YES.
How will this happen.........BREED LESS DOGS!

**RedFawnRising** · 06-26-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DLS

Oh, call me STUPID, I thought the counter was for how many puppies you had bred this year.

*snort*

Who cares if we bump up your site counter?

All the more info, to spread the word, gathered.

I'm also not sure why you posted the reply about the rescues--you were being agreed with--that many rescuers get burnt out and don't handle public contact well.

Then again, they aren't being paid to answer *their* phones, remember?

And--they are overwhelmed DUE TO FOLKS LIKE YOU.

Bit like thanking Satan for an asbestos blankie, taking referrals from Kimbertal.

**KimB** · 06-26-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DLS

Oh, call me STUPID, I thought the counter was for how many puppies you had bred this year.

Okay, so is this an example of Doberdum too? Sorry, I just couldn't resist!

I'll resume posting later tonight if need be, I be going to a special class on a little bus now!

(Not trying to offend anyone - just a little Doberdum humor)

Kimbertalkls · 06-26-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DLS

I think the flack you get is because who would want to help promote a dog for a kennel that mass produces puppies.

I am sorry. Referring a customer away from us to adopt a dog is promoting us? If they said okay, screened the customer and fostered out a dog, how would promoting us in any way. Instead they sour the potential home and the dog stays homeless... I do not see how the is helps anyone.

bonzo · 06-26-2008, 06:38 PM

Now this reply is only for kimbertalks and for some people it's maybe gonna sound a bit rude.
First of all you say because of the civil war people will sell their dogs for a low price because their income per year should be around 500 dollars. You don't know what you're talking about, the cicil war in ex-Yougoslavia was in the nineties and there is certainly no war going on now unless I've been living under a rock the last 10 or 15 years. Secondly a person with an income of 500 dollars a year is certainly not going to buy a dog and certainly not going to show or whatever with it. Ten years ago I bought a femalepup from the Gujar kennel of Otto Gudas in the Czech republic, also an Eastern Europe country with problems at the time like ex-Yougoslavia. Well I can assure you that the price I payed Gudas could have lived more than a year of the money I payed for that puppy hahaha what a joke.
You also stated that in some parts of Germany dogs are put in a kennel and start bitework at 11 months. First of all I think there's nothing wrong with starting bitework at 11 months and after looking at your website I see that at your home dogs also have been put in kennels.
So if you don't know what you're talking about or start to lie about things you don't even have a clue about why should people believe you about being serieus about the breed?

I'm sorry for some other people if I sound a bit rude but I couldn't refuse to answer to such a lot of BS

**greenkouki** · 06-26-2008, 06:41 PM

I never really knew how unethical this puppy mill was until I started reading this thread. Giving females to homes for free if they have litters? That is disgusting. How many puppies actually come out of kimbertal per year?

DLS · 06-26-2008, 06:45 PM

KimB, glad to see you have a sense of humor.

Anne, not quite sure what your last post means. Stupid me.

Kimbertalkls · 06-26-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RedFawnRising

*snort*

Who cares if we bump up your site counter?

All the more info, to spread the word, gathered.

I'm also not sure why you posted the reply about the rescues--you were being agreed with--that many rescuers get burnt out and don't handle public contact well.

Then again, they aren't being paid to answer *their* phones, remember?

And--they are overwhelmed DUE TO FOLKS LIKE YOU.

Bit like thanking Satan for an asbestos blankie, taking referrals from Kimbertal.

Ah, but all of us do stuff we are not paid for. I have 18 kittens being fostered in my home right now. I am on here at home on my own time. I travel to Harrisburg to argue against bills that will hurt hobby breeders even though I no longer show or breed.
If someone can not stay focused on the goal being placing the dogs then may be they should not answer the phones. I understand how hearing the same question for the thirtieth time can be annoying paid or not. AND maybe they should screen the dogs being turned in since the ones from here can be returned here for any reason. Maybe they should say that if the dog has a place to go they must take it there.

clipclop · 06-26-2008, 06:54 PM

Kimbertalks- an honest question... let say perchance you were looking to buy a dog overseas due to its impressive credentials you are told it has. You recieve paperwork for the dog and it matches what you were told. You independently verify with the appropriate institutions and find that said dog has indeed not gotten a championship but indeed has won a class. What do you do? what is your recourse? No doubt the paperwork is going to match what you have been told- the question is why would you not independently verify? If I was purchasing a dog that was supposed to be an AKC champ... I would look it up for myself to feel secure in my purchase. Can you answer if you indeed have done this on Tsenturion (sp)?