Kimbertal 2 - Page 52

dobeguy · 06-21-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimbertalkls

Excuse me. Do any of you read my replies? The mothers are on a one litter contract in a home with a family that owns them after one litter. They are not bred over and over, year after year. This is the gossip not fact yet again. They are bred once and then are owned by the family free and clear. The mothers come here to be bred and then the puppies come here for shots at 4 and 6 weeks. At seven weeks they come in to stay.

Thats a nice little racket you guys got. Make your customers do the work, and than collect the puppies for sale. That way you can sit back and count your profits. Do you know any reputable breeders that send out letters to their puppy buyers so that they can breed to their females? Usually reputable breeders only breed, after years of working their female/s in whatever venues they participate and after spending time compiling all the necessary health testing, testing that is available for everyone to see. Than they go through the process of seeking an adequate stud, that will help fix any of the deficiencies that their female may have (conformation, drives etc...) Sometimes this search for a stud takes them to different states, countries and continents. Lucky for you all your studs are under the same roof, or kennel, wherever they are kept.

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Originally Posted by Kimbertalkls

We are open to the public seven days a week and are staffed so people can come in without an appointment and see everything for themselves. No one has said that there is no genetic testing being done, just the opposite. It is just everyone chooses to say it isn't.

Where is the PROOF. You keep saying you do health testing, but OFA results indicate otherwise. If you do any testing how about posting the records for everyone to see. You do know how to scan do you not?

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Originally Posted by Kimbertalkls

If we were not trying to keep improving our stock, why would we spend thousands of dollars importing these champions? We were getting $1500 and $2000 for non champion sired dogs ten years ago. With the price of the vet care, oil, gas and everything else I do not think $500 covers the cost of living increases in the past ten years. So our prices are about the same.

What champions? The ones with fake titles or the ones with bought titles? European kennels like Altobello have this practise where they dump their least desirable dogs on American markets, they put a few stolen titles on them from small European shows and people like yourself than market them as "superior" to your uninformed customers. How many of the hundreds of puppies you produce are being actively campaigned in conformation, schH, obedience etc... Where is the proof that you better the breed.

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Originally Posted by Kimbertalkls

It can't be to increase our profit.

everything you do is to increase your profit.

CMax · 06-21-2008, 08:15 PM

First you complain about how hard it is to do it all yourself... and now it turns out that you don't take pics, Tiffany does... So, why don't you go and help Tiffany...

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Originally Posted by Kimbertalkls

First of all, I don't do photos. My name is not Tiffany.
Second, our customers want to see expression in the face not a side stack.
We are not selling for the show ring...oh, horrors! 90% of our customers want a good, healthy, guaranteed companion. Since 90% of our customers are repeats most must be happy despite what is said on here.
Anne

Wow... I don't know about you guys but I haven't had a single person who was satisfied with just a pic of a lying pup... So, if they want a healthy and good pup, how will they judge by just a pic of a lying pup????????????????

90% of satisfied customers... well, if we add up all the rescues and "I know this person who once had a Kimbertal dog", etc etc, then Anne you sure do breed A LOT of dogs... way too many as we know too many people who dump your dogs or are extremely unhappy or their dogs die young...

**Incredibledobe** · 06-21-2008, 08:55 PM

Anne- The proof is in the show results, easily accessed by anyone who cares to look. Neither of the dogs you are advertising as World Champions are that. Your website lies, you lie. Official show results DO NOT LIE.
Sp, my question to you is why are you lying about this?

**KimB** · 06-21-2008, 09:07 PM

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:badcomp uter1:

DLS · 06-21-2008, 09:55 PM

Anne instead of just posting here on this thread, why don't you share some of your years of experience with this breed and help someone with their questions. And who knows, read a few other threads here and heaven forbid YOU just might learn something.
You to KimB, have either of you ever given your condolences to someone who has lost their Dobie?
Or even wished one a Happy Birthday?

**Incredibledobe** · 06-21-2008, 10:17 PM

Link to 2006 IDC results...

Dobermann Review

In the search function -type in IDC 2006

Onyx and Xena · 06-21-2008, 10:43 PM

hmmm I see this result for the IDC 2006, under brown males...

Intermediate class [Judge: H. Wiblishauser]

V 1 Sant Kreal Tzenturium Tzarevic iz Slavnoi Stai-Sant Kreal Mona Lisa
V 2 Jerry z Tomky Baron Zidan z Tomky-Arlen Carnia z Tomky
V 3 Lorain di Campovalano Athor di Campovalano-Hisedred Della Fortezza Vecchia
V 4 Sant Kreal Yusupov Sergius Aleksandrija Rerikh-Sant Kreal Karmen

so that means Sant Kreal was the highest rated brown male for conformation?? (not real clear on European titles...)

**Lexus** · 06-21-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KimB

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:badcomp uter1:

Let's try to stick to at least semi-constructive posts, and not simply a bunch of cartoons.

**RedFawnRising** · 06-21-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KimB

Just wanted to let all of you radicals know that I stopped by Kimbertal today and believe it or not TSENTURION IS THERE!!!!!
It was great to see to see all of the wonderful staff members there and the owner too!! And the puppies all looked great and healthy to me.
It still amazes me that this thread is STILL going.
Enjoy your bickering!

It still amazes me that Kimbertalkls is passing up an opportunity to don a white hat, for just a minute, by not providing that tattoo information.

A link on the site, verifying how much of their profits were going to Dobe rescue would be great PR, as well, but 'scuse me if I do not hold my breath on that happening.

Oh, donating to rescue--is that too radical an idea?

Prove your naysayers wrong on one thing, Anne--give over that rescue dog's history, already, please.

DLS · 06-21-2008, 11:02 PM

Copied from kimbertals own page.

These choice females are bred for only two litters before they are retired from the breeding program, after which they go to live permanently with the families who have raised them.

Copied from a posting made by kimbertal here.

The mothers are on a one litter contract in a home with a family that owns them after one litter. They are not bred over and over, year after year. This is the gossip not fact yet again. They are bred once and then are owned by the family free and clear.

I am confused. Are the bitches bred once, twice or more?