Kimbertalkls

Julia, we have 25 foot outdoor runs+ the inside area with a bed for the studs with a 200 foot catch pen they each run in daily. For someone claiming to be here and knowledgeable, your credability is slipping!! The stud kennel is on the website, first page, aerial view with the indoor/outdoor runs. There are no metal things. The lower kennel is empty as we no longer board. Go on earth google and look for yourself. Guess you weren't here in the last two years as that is how long the one whole kennel has been empty...
The floor of the runs is sloped concrete, six foot fencing, new exterior roof is going up for extra shade, don't know where you are looking....

DobeGirl07

How come I never see any red puppies for sale on the Kimbertal website?? What do you do with all the red puppies???

I try to stay out of this. Kimbertal, you need to stop your breeding program!! Are you trying to destroy this breed? You contribute to so many Dobermans in rescue today and then ppl like Velma and Bleh have to clean up your dirty work. All you care about is the all mighty dollar. Get a REAL job!!!

Dobemom2b

Red is recessive to black genetically. You will not get red pups unless both parents are either red bb or black carrying red Bb (or any mixture of them where a red gene is passed by each parent). The same way not all lines produce blues and fawns if the parents do not both carry d you get no dilutes.

I don't know if the lines carry red or dilution but it is easy to control in the scheme of things.

Rauschund

My it is just wonderful to see all of the improvements you are making with all of your puppy money........so nice to hear that you are battling for the rescues...you ought to! I don't want to fight with you Ann, you slip around the true questions and throw in the good 'ol PR to change the subject.
FACT - You breed way too many puppies
Fact - You do not screen your homes well enough
FACT - Your guarantee policy has more holes in it than a strainer.
FACT- Your ignorance about genetics deciding the mature dog is obvious.

Stupid is as stupid does...........

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DobeGirl07

I know that Dobemom, you can't tell me that they do not produce colored dogs. I have NEVER seen a colored dog for sale on their site.

dobeguy

I don't know any reputable breeders that have to pay salaried employees... Obviously your company runs a very large operation, and in order to make a profit you are gonna have to sell a whole lotta puppies... How else can you do what you do, if you didn't have the money to bankroll you're racket. Money that comes from all the puppies you produce.

The point people here are trying to make is that you should breed ONLY to better the breed, not as a business venture, or as a means of income. Its when you start running things as a business, you lose sight of what is really important.

* Breeding for proper drives, conformation (two of your studs that have their weight listed are grossly over sized by Euro standards), temperament.
* Doing the required health testing
* placing puppies in good home.
* Bettering the breed.

People who run their breeding practices such as yourself, skip these necessary steps to make money. You may not be breaking laws, but what you do is very unethical imo.

I don't care how fancy your kennels are, Dobermans are INDOOR dogs and need to be with their families, along with the females and the puppies who should be socialized in the home, not in a barn, not in a kennel, but the HOME. Just another reason why Kimbertal is doing it WRONG. If you have all these animals, how in the world can you expect them to each get individual treatment?

EDIT: Please do not talk about your contributions to rescue. I find that offensive and obscene.

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Kimbertalkls

Our reds are usually sold before they have to be put on the website. We have two male and five females in now but they won't go on until ears are posted. Their photos are being sent out to people asking so we do not do anything sinister like snuff them. Dilutes we rarely get because most of the studs who were not clear for vWd were the dilutes or had the gene. Only one import has produced them and they are harder to place since we tell the purchaser they are more prone to thyroid and other problems.

DobeGirl07

And not only do they breed the hell outta Dobermans they also are pumping out rottie puppies

Like A Boxer

Did I claim to be an expert???????

I was there not even two months ago. And I saw and HEARD lots of barking dogs OUTSIDE. It reminded me of being at an overcrowded dog shelter. I don't care about the specifics about the runs because they shouldn't be in a building separate from humans anyway. They should be inside. With families. In beds with their families. In houses. Your inside/outside runs could be mini versions of the nicest pent houses on the face of this planet and it still won't satisfy me. These dogs should be family dogs who live inside with their families. Do these dogs stay in these runs or do they come inside with the family??? Please tell me.

Just one more thing... if your establishment felt that you couldn't devote enough time to whelping/raising puppies so far as for you to instead have families raise them... how do you make time for all the litters you have of both Dobes and Rotts at any given time within your kennel? When I was there, there were several. Plus on top of all those pups, you have all those studs!
How DO you find the time???

Keep ignoring MY questions though. YOU still have not addressed my questions.

So I'll reiterate them...AGAIN.
-Where is your justification in the high prices???
-How can you say you "feed" for superior size [and then accuse show people of starving their dogs] but then the website clearly says they are BRED for size? You know, I'll bet if you feed a child a whole lot of food and make it all nice and fat, it'll be bigger [fatter] than the average kid their age. Does this mean they're superior to other kids their age??? Me thinks not!




-JB.

dragonflyz

I am very new to this forum and will not comment on my opinion of kimbertal. What I will say is that I fell in love with the Doberman after close work with a dobie that came into my shelter with a crushed leg. When my best friend "Spanky" had to be put to sleep I decided to start my search for a dobie. I started where all people involved in rescue would go. I contacted Rescues. I was turned down due to the fact that I was a foster mother to 3 children (2 under the age of five). So I went on to do a search for Doberman breeders in my area (upstate NY) Guess what popped up Kimbertal. Now I have worked for my local Humane Society for 14 years and all of my pets have been adopted so I had no idea what to look for. The website is pleasent to look at, pups look healthy and well maintained....... My point is if I were in a hurry and wanted a puppy NOW (which I do Caroleann LOL) I would have bought a dog months ago. I had no Idea what I was looking at or for. I did my research and decided to go with breeder that meets my needs. I guess my point is we are an impulse society and Kimbertal is easily accessible. Cute puppies sell.