Monaco Dobermann's - Page 2

gatehouse · 05-31-2008, 08:09 AM

I would seriously question a breeder who considers PHTVL-PHPV a "title"
LOL!!!

frankp · 05-31-2008, 04:56 PM

I just looked that up and found :

PHTVL / PHPV Persistent hyperplastic tunica vasculosa lentis (PHTVL) and persistent hyperplastic primary vitreous (PHPV) refer to the persistence of the embryonic vascular system of the lens.PHTVL /PHPV is a congenital eye anomaly which has been described in many animals as well as in man. Until the late 1970's PHTVL / PHPV was only sporadically described in a litterature in animals including dogs. The first documented case in dog was in a Greyhound (Grimes and Mullaney). After that there were also some descriptions of individual cases of this anomaly in the litterature (Keller, Blanchard and Krehbiel, 1972, Gelatt, 1973, Barnett and Grimes, 1973, Rebhun, 1976, Rubin, 1974, ).

Yes this 'definitely' is not a title.

Frank

Sagesmom · 05-31-2008, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gatehouse

I would seriously question a breeder who considers PHTVL-PHPV a "title"
LOL!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankp

I just looked that up and found :

PHTVL / PHPV Persistent hyperplastic tunica vasculosa lentis (PHTVL) and persistent hyperplastic primary vitreous (PHPV) refer to the persistence of the embryonic vascular system of the lens.PHTVL /PHPV is a congenital eye anomaly which has been described in many animals as well as in man. Until the late 1970's PHTVL / PHPV was only sporadically described in a litterature in animals including dogs. The first documented case in dog was in a Greyhound (Grimes and Mullaney). After that there were also some descriptions of individual cases of this anomaly in the litterature (Keller, Blanchard and Krehbiel, 1972, Gelatt, 1973, Barnett and Grimes, 1973, Rebhun, 1976, Rubin, 1974, ).

Yes this 'definitely' is not a title.

Frank

I thought I was the only one to find that..... I was so confused.... Maybe I should go look at the page again and see WTF they are talking about....... LOL

fabertdobes · 06-02-2008, 09:59 AM

Sadly we have heard from client who paid like 4,000. for a pup and the pup had the worst temperament ever.
What bothers me is buying Euro titled or from titled dogs and not doing anything with them. She has not shown in a ring for ages as i dont remember seeing any of her pups in the rings..
Deb n Maura am i right? she doesnt compete anymore just produce pups?

gatehouse · 06-02-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by fabertdobes

Sadly we have heard from client who paid like 4,000. for a pup and the pup had the worst temperament ever.
What bothers me is buying Euro titled or from titled dogs and not doing anything with them. She has not shown in a ring for ages as i dont remember seeing any of her pups in the rings..
Deb n Maura am i right? she doesnt compete anymore just produce pups?

Yes, I can say that I don't think I have ever even seen her at any of the shows, but I have seen a couple of her dogs.
Speaking of puppies....debi.....any news????????

frankp · 06-02-2008, 11:26 AM

I believe the current rate is $2500 for her puppies and requires $1000 deposit for next year. I believe the dog she is breeding with is Nicola and her grandmother was a champion I believe. I saw her picture in some book from Europe that Molly had.

Since I'm still learning about the difference in Euro v. NA, and also the credibility of breeders awards etc, you can probably guess what direction I'm leaning towards here. I have met amazing ppl on this board, who are continuing to help me find the right puppy for next year.

The only thing is I did spend 6.5 hours on the road a couple weeks ago, but it's a learning experience.

bonzo · 06-04-2008, 08:43 AM

After visiting her website the person in question claims that the dogs have working abillity's...the main lines I see are Neerlands stam...I still have to see the first Neerlands stam dog who has descent working abbility's

frankp · 06-04-2008, 09:44 AM

Thanks - do you know where are the Neerlands stam dogs from?

bonzo · 06-04-2008, 10:01 AM

Neerlands stam is a Dutch kennel they are very beautifull dogs and the kennel I think started back in the 60's and was owned by the legendary mr.Knijff-Dermout and was later taken over bij Mr. VanderZwan chairman of the DVIN (Dutch dobermann club) In some working pedigrees there is Graaf Quirinus van Neerlands stam but for most of the part it's all show.

frankp · 06-04-2008, 12:16 PM

Interesting. I did a search on Mr. Han Van Der Zwan - and found this pic below from a 2002 contest.

So my question is based on the female Dobe I saw when I arrived at Monaco (Nicola) -is there a correlation between the pedigree of Neerlands Stam and the dogs Molly King has. I assume it is - but based on the link - what is your opinion - good/bad/average?

Graaf Zeppelin v. Neerlands Stam