Recommeded Schutzen Kennels

blackwatch · 05-28-2008, 01:12 AM

I've been really getting into Schutzen training with my 1.5 year old male and we are learning a ton and making great dobe friends and mentors. I was hoping that people on the forum could share any experiences with breeders-kennels that produce great working dogs for Schutzen.

I'm also looking for feedback on the following kennels:
House of Hyott:
House of Hoytt: Dobermans

Del Littorio:
Del Littorio International Dobermann Kennel

**TracyJo** · 05-28-2008, 02:24 AM

There are several on this board that participate in Schutzhund with their Dobes and I'm sure they'll chime in soon

Glad that you're having a good time working with your boy

Stay far, far away from Hoytt - he's a mass producer.
Not sure of Del Littorio - never heard of them - I did briefly look at their site and noticed that many of their dogs have titles - which implies they are working on creating a conformationally correct dog that works (which is a good thing) BUT I only briefly looked. Again, I'm sure you'll get lots of feedback on both from others.
Welcome to DT

clipclop · 05-28-2008, 07:07 AM

I have heard more bad stories of House of Hoyt than I have fingers or toes

Good luck in ur search! some experienced Shz. people on here !

WorkingInSTL · 05-28-2008, 10:01 AM

I won't comment a whole lot on the kennels mentioned, except to say I would not go to HoH for a working prospect. Working kennels are constantly testing and titling their dogs to maintain the working ability of their breeding stock. IMHO, no kennel has any right to advertise their dogs for "working ability" or "working lines" if they are not actively titling dogs, because without titling dogs, they have no standard by which to measure and substantiate those claims.

Working dobermann kennels are definitely in the minority (as compared to malinois or gsd's). What area do you live in, and what are you looking for in a dog ? There are several well-known kennels producing working dobes, and more smaller breeders splattered throughout the country producing working litters. PM me for specifics.

FamilyZoo · 05-28-2008, 07:48 PM

You wont find any HoH Dobermans on a rescue site. I have a progeny female that I am very happy with.

Dobeman · 05-29-2008, 11:30 AM

I recommend going to the UDC site ( Official Website of the United Doberman Club ) as well as checking out USADobermann.net - Home Page - You will find answers to your questions there.

**JenTN** · 05-29-2008, 11:49 AM

I don't believe a HoH dobe would do well in Sch, this is from his website:

"A little about competition: If you are considering work in Schutzhund then you should definitely learn the term “Hard Dog.” Start out by going to a VPG club-training meet, and then spend four or five weekends at some of their get-togethers. Many of the individuals you meet will have purchased their dog from a member of the club, or are brokers themselves. Spend time studying the dogs and their owners, watching the percentage of dogs that remain quiet between exercises. Also, watch which dogs or a breed that are relentless hell-raisers and which ones are loose in their owner’s car, patiently awaiting their turns. Note the difference in the percentages of the quiet, calm dogs vs. the hell-raisers? Pay close attention to each team and their interactions, ask as many questions as you can, and remember – it is what YOU expect from your future canine that should be your guide, not what someone else prefers.

If you are serious about Schutzhund and want to be the "other half" of the team that takes the gold, then expect to be guided toward the direct importing of a Dobe for your purchase. These Dobe breeders reside in areas of the world without the same rules as ours; they sell presenting extreme drive, energy, and ferocity. In these countries, the problem of being on the receiving end of a dog bite does not lie with the owner or breeder of the canine unless of course there was serious negligence by the person responsible for the dog at the time. Remember in our end of the world there is more compassion toward the person who is bitten. Our clients tend to prefer calmness and a mild natural protectiveness over 'Rambo types'.

Can Schutzhund be an interesting direction to go? Of course Schutzhund can be fun...remember for some Sky Diving, bungee jumping and swimming with sharks is a kick.

However the well-mannered, highly focused, obedient dog usually also requires social skills to deal with the public. Social skills are usually not a top priority for teams that want to walk away with “top dog” honors in Schutzhund; yet being an “out on the town”, people-oriented, well-mannered canine who can also partake in VPG tournaments will only come from breeder/trainers who both understand the purchasers needs, the purchaser's true expectations and previous knowledge the purchaser has related to this sport and who's own goals as breeder/broker by record establishes their right to guide the purchaser."

It's very interesting, he thinks that dobes don't do well in conformation, obedience, Sch...basically his $2500 dobes (not including ear crop) are just GREAT PETS...if you can read through all his thoughts on dog competition.

**dobermansrule** · 05-29-2008, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blackwatch

I've been really getting into Schutzen training with my 1.5 year old male and we are learning a ton and making great dobe friends and mentors. I was hoping that people on the forum could share any experiences with breeders-kennels that produce great working dogs for Schutzen.

I'm also looking for feedback on the following kennels:
House of Hyott:
House of Hoytt: Dobermans

Del Littorio:
Del Littorio International Dobermann Kennel

maybe ask your local dobe friends and mentors in your "Schutzen" circle? That way at least you can observe other dogs and perhaps go to their breeders if you like the temperment, drive etc.

workingk9s · 05-29-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JenTN

If you are serious about Schutzhund and want to be the "other half" of the team that takes the gold, then expect to be guided toward the direct importing of a Dobe for your purchase. These Dobe breeders reside in areas of the world without the same rules as ours; they sell presenting extreme drive, energy, and ferocity. In these countries, the problem of being on the receiving end of a dog bite does not lie with the owner or breeder of the canine unless of course there was serious negligence by the person responsible for the dog at the time. Remember in our end of the world there is more compassion toward the person who is bitten. Our clients tend to prefer calmness and a mild natural protectiveness over 'Rambo types'.

Can Schutzhund be an interesting direction to go? Of course Schutzhund can be fun...remember for some Sky Diving, bungee jumping and swimming with sharks is a kick.

However the well-mannered, highly focused, obedient dog usually also requires social skills to deal with the public. Social skills are usually not a top priority for teams that want to walk away with “top dog” honors in Schutzhund; yet being an “out on the town”, people-oriented, well-mannered canine who can also partake in VPG tournaments will only come from breeder/trainers who both understand the purchasers needs, the purchaser's true expectations and previous knowledge the purchaser has related to this sport and who's own goals as breeder/broker by record establishes their right to guide the purchaser."

This is incorrect. The majority of dogs that I know that participate in Schutzhund are very stable in temperament. My own dog has V'ed in protection and is ALWAYS pronounced in courage. That said, I have also taken her to shows with over 3000 entries per day (conformation, agility and obedience) and she was more well mannered than most of the other dogs. Random people came up to her and never was there a thought in my mind that anything would happen. She was bred here in the states. It is my observation that most Shutzhund trained dogs are stable this way. Maybe there are a few dogs are rank that have behavioral issues, but those dogs don't walk away "top dog" because of those issues. There are many dogs bred here that are the same way. It has nothing to do with laws of biting. Outside of the training field, I would never put my dog in a situation where any there was any possibility of misunderstanding a possible attack command. It comes down to the responsibilty of the owners, of which there are many here in the states.

**JenTN** · 05-29-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by workingk9s

This is incorrect. The majority of dogs that I know that participate in Schutzhund are very stable in temperament. My own dog has V'ed in protection and is ALWAYS pronounced in courage. That said, I have also taken her to shows with over 3000 entries per day (conformation, agility and obedience) and she was more well mannered than most of the other dogs. Random people came up to her and never was there a thought in my mind that anything would happen. She was bred here in the states. It is my observation that most Shutzhund trained dogs are stable this way. Maybe there are a few dogs are rank that have behavioral issues, but those dogs don't walk away "top dog" because of those issues. There are many dogs bred here that are the same way. It has nothing to do with laws of biting. Outside of the training field, I would never put my dog in a situation where any there was any possibility of misunderstanding a possible attack command. It comes down to the responsibilty of the owners, of which there are many here in the states.

That is definitely not my opinion, I would love to participate in Sch one day. That is a quote from the House of Hoytt website, Mr. Hoytt's view on Sch, not mine.