sarevok

I know their price tag is $2.5k but overall it has been the most informative breeder site I have found. I don't really know what to look for when reading pedigrees or how the champion bloodlines awards work, so I might as well be reading spanish when that all comes up. All else looks awesome though, Steve promptly emailed me back when I sent him my email/puppy application and has been helpful with questions. So mainly I am asking what other experiences have been with them, or if there are ways that somebody could poke holes in their ads on the site. Thanks for the help with this.

clipclop

2.5k!!

What type of health testing do they do? I didn't see any. I saw a lot of international championships and im not familiar with their requirements... its a bit diff than what American Championships are based on.

I will defer to others that might know more- but you can get a GREAT dog for 1.5k... you looking for a show dog? SH? I hope that price tag isnt for a pet quality dog...

Since the breeder is communicating with you, here are some helpful questions to ask... I'm sure others can add more for you.

Health Testing:

VW
Heart
Thyroid
Hips and Elbows
Eyes

Socialization:

Where are the litters whelped?
Are they housed in a home or out in some kennel? (kennels are a big red flag to me- my dobe is not shy around dishwashers, vacuums any of that because he was raised inside a house)

gracieface

I read thru a lot of their site, I have a few concerns although there was a lot of good there, but I don't like health guarantees voided by switching the dog food, do they have shares in royal canin? my other concern was the number of litters, I can't imagine trying to properly raise more than one litter at a time, two max, but they seem to have more. He talks a good talk, the web pages went on and on. I would definitely do a visit before committing to anything, the price is overly inflated, he tries to justify it, but really, sounds like the so called "professional" breeder, paying the mortgage with puppy money, and Scottsdale isn't a cheap area to live in!

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sarevok

thanks for the information. It would be for a pet, not a show dog.
The health that the site mentions is So I guess that leaves out heart. I still need to email him about the kennel question so I'll include that. Thanks again.

jdd

That is way too much money for a pet.

Dobemom2b

There are previous posts on this breeder http://www.dobermantalk.com/search.php?searchid=188486 if that link does not work use the search function and search for familydobes or family dobes, select 'show posts' because they are in numerous threads.

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chaos

I agree with Jana, and why would the choice of food void a health guarantee?

sarevok

I think they do it so people dont feed the dogs the cheapest food they can find and then turn around and complain when they get sick. I don't understand having 4-5 litters at the same time though. thanks for pointing that out.

clipclop

Sarevok- you are in the right place to make the best educated decision about your future dobe

You can do SO much better! A good pet quality dobe from a VERY reputable breeder should run no more than $1500-$1700.

This is someone that isnt churning out so many litters, they can take all of your calls even AFTER they have cashed your check. I talk with my breeder practically every day and she never has to ask which dog it is that I bought from her.

As a first time Dobe owner I need that connection.

The people here can steer you in the RIGHT direction. Price tag doesnt automatically mean the best dog. Also, how can they guarantee a dog to not have Wobblers? Ive never heard of a guarantee against that.

Heart is the number one killer of dobes (DCM) if you dont know much about it its def. something to research and something that no one can guarantee against. The best you can hope is that dogs are given Holters and at that TIME they arent showing signs of DCM.

What age are the parents?

jdd

No one should have 5 litters in a year much less at one time! I can't imagine that!! One litter takes up all your time and then some.
I don't even sell my show puppies for the price they sell their pets.