What are you looking for in a Dobe? Please list as much information as possible.
It might be helpful for you to list what YOU think of them and turn this into a learning exercise rather than just listing kennels and saying any good. For instance, I was drawn to ask questions about this website b/c of "x".
Or I like this about their dogs and list what you like, or this concerns me about their dogs and list as much as you can.
It will help you learn about red flags on Internet websites. Remember, many good breeders don't have a website. Keep that in mind too, and it is really buyer beware on the www! I am glad you are here and learning and asking questions.
When i look at the site...im not sure whether i am looking at a good breeder or not... her dogs look well cared for...im not an expert at the breed standard so i cant comment on if are quality dogs.
They give an 8 year health guarantee and list every single thing it covers.
The only thing that bugs me about it was under the guarantee, it said it would only take back a dog that has been to puppy and obedience class, is cropped, and unaltered. I also find it odd that if you dont keep your dog on Nu Vet your health guarantee goes down to 4 years
What does everyone think?
i would like to know if they are any good too.
Now why would you think they would want an unalterred dog.....hmmmm......NO ONE can give an honest 8 year health guarantee. Come on now! Sure you can do the testing and try to do everything possbile to make sure they live a long happy life, but 8 years? they probably get a kick back from Nu Vet for one thing. I can see a guaranttee on hips being OK, eyes, heart, etc...but 8 years. Probably won't take them back after that because they are too old for their breeding program!!!
I couldn't believe the 8 year guarantee either, too many conditions. Their dogs are nothing spectacular to look at, they breed in house (expecting 2 litters from the same dog within a month, and more planned) and they accept paypal. Not a place I would consider.
Breeders who use nuvet recieve free product from nu vet based on the sales under their referal number. Dog Breed, Cat Breeders, Puppies For Sale to get the details you would have to email them or get it from a breeder who uses it. Your purchasing it provides free product for their kennel. In a lifetime of keeping your dog on it you have in a round about way paid the breeder more for the dog. Like selling you a car then selling you the gas from their station.
Lestat was on nuvet but had problems with dribbling. The vet suggested taking him off of it as did the breeder who said she had a previous pup who also had a problem with it (can't rem the exact issue would have to find that email and re read it). I did and the issue resolved. I still do not know what ingredient was a problem or if it was a coincidence all I know is within days of stopping it I no longer had dribble trails on all the floors. It was pretty obvious on the hardwood.
I'm not very good at distinguishing between good breeders and bad, at least not more so than most of the people on this forum but here are some things that irk me:
-They say "doberman's." I hate bad grammar. Actually, they just have bad grammar all over the place.
-The bitch they bred Logan to (Shalimar's Shining Jennifer) seems to just be an average dog, no titles or anything? There seems to be no titles until at least a few generations back? (Correct me if I'm wrong, as I know very little about pedigrees)
-I also didn't like the crops on some of their dogs. Actually, most of their dogs.
Finally, can anyone clarify for me what this statement means in their guarantee?
"Hip dysphasia (must be OFA'd or Penn Hip checked before breeding)"
Ignoring the fact that it says dysphasia, are they talking about their own dogs are checked or the purchaser's dogs?
I also don't see anything about them testing their dogs for DCM with an ECG or a holter? Or maybe they just don't put that information on their website?
I dunno, seems fishy.
If I'm wrong about any of the above, feel free to correct me. Like I said, I'm no big shot Doberman expert, haha.
I resucitated this thread since I've been looking at one of their litters that are now 6 weeks old. Any more news or comments since then ? Has anybody here bought a puppy from them in the last 3 years...?
I am very curious as to what attracts you to this breeder? Is it a budget issue or proximity...? There is nothing redeeming about their breeding program.
It's been 3-4 years since this thread started. Why do you say that ? I'd like to know the reasons why since it's hard to rule out somebody by an arbitrary yes or no. It'll help me to know why not, has anyone here bought a puppy from them and what was the experience ?
While she does apparently do some health testing on some dogs. I would certainly check to see if she is doing ALL the health testing on ALL the dogs. For instance: Cardio DNA is NOT enough, needs to be doing holters and echos annually.
She shows her dogs at International shows. Pretty much any Dobe that is obviously a Dobe can get an Int. CH. It really isn't anything to brag about, but is often used by sub-par breeders to impress buyers that don't know any better.
I have seen a couple of her dogs in person and they are of rather poor quality. You can see this even in the photos. Look at the picture of Rita for instance -- and she BRED her!
Charges extra for ear cropping -- I have no issue what-so-ever with breeders that allow people to have a pet puppy uncropped and maybe even charge a bit less for that puppy. However, ear cropping should be included in the price of the puppy and handled by the breeder.
The limitations to her guarantee are ridiculous.
All it takes is more money to get full registration/breeding rights. This shows no regard for the breed in general.
I am told that she is a nice lady and great to deal with. I am certain this is true, but have never met her myself. Being a nice person is one thing, being a knowledgeable and ethical breeder is another. There are a lot of really nice people doing things way wrong.
If you are looking for a puppy in that area there are a number of good breeders within 1 to 2 hours from Dreamscape.
Yes thanks, it makes perfect sense and that's why I'm still researching and calling. You're all also right about the temperament but that's not to say that every single puppy from BYB breeder will be screwed from the get go. Although you have a much higher percentage of getting a good tempered dog from a reputable breeder.
IOW, you can probably get a good looking dog with minimal health issues from a BYB but the temperament aspect is a crap shoot.
I've also talked to Dreamscape Kennels kately and saw that they health test and guarantee their pups I and spoke to the breeder. She spent a good amount of time with me answering all my questions. The father of her current litter seems to have a good bloodline while the mother is AKC registered but nothing to speak off in terms of pedigree or title but she looks nice. I don't know how much that matters.
If you guys want to check that one out and let me know what you think I would appreciate it...
My husband, who knows practically nothing about Dobes, by the way, said that the Dreamscape bitch pictured looked like a GSD with that sloping topline, and wasn't very pretty.
Oh my gosh....I'm not really one to say bad things about people's dogs....but their pictures are very shocking in my opinion!
Does anyone have any written information about how international championship titles are obtained I can read up on? I've obviously seen CAN CH, AM CH ect. Are ITN CH titles basically championship titles from countries with very low numbers? Here you could only get points if there are at least 3 dogs in a class? Sorry if its an ignorant question! Would love some weblinks I could read about.
Most IABCA shows are held on the weekend, with 2 shows each day and a different judge for each show. Dogs are evaluated by each judge and when a dog receives 3 passing certifications it becomes an IABCA (often referred to as International) Champion. No other dogs of that breed need be entered. As you can see, pretty much any dog can receive its IABCA Ch title.
The only first hand experience I have with IABCA shows are from 20 years ago. A friend and I entered our Aussies in a show in Hollywood Park, CA. We were the only 2 Aussies there and both our dogs received their CH title. Both were deserving, but still.... it is not unlike UKC. Wheeler is a UKC Champion as well as an AKC Champion, but the only one I really consider important is the AKC title, as Wheeler received his UKC CH, without ever seeing another Doberman. LOL!
Thank you for the explanation! I am confused as to how that makes one's dog an 'International Champion' when all the shows are held in the USA? I guess they claim to be judging according to European standards or something? I always assumed 'International CH' meant the dog had recieved CH titles in multiple nations! How confusing/misleading!
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