Originally Posted by RedDobieCHAMP

IMO, dobes are smart enough to walk perfect on a lead after about 30-60 minutes of training, with a choke collar if needed, or with pinch collar if choker doesnt work.

My Champ needed a pinch collar because he wouldnt respond to choke collar. It then took about 1/2 hour for him to completely understand what is expected of him, and what happens if he doesnt do as expected.

That was when he was 3 months old. And since then, we practice everyday on his walks. He's now 6.5 months old.

Keep in mind, the pinch collar is not be pulled on constantly, in fact, I rarely have to correct Champ with it. But he knows when he has it on, we're all business, so he does what he is told (sit, stay, heel, down), and if he doesnt, he gets corrected.

But again, Dobes are so smart they don't need much correcting after the initial training session when they learn what the collar is for and what it means